Why should people be allowed to own 2 houses?

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  1. Niederlander

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    Who says that? The US propaganda machine?

    The US is 110% debt/gdp in the hole and rapidly approaching 150%.

    No one takes the. US seriously anymore. The US is like a deranged lunatic with an arsenal of guns in a school full of children

    Everyone is just patiently waiting for the madman to kill himself so they can go on with their lives.

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    China is a 100% communist country but I bet your US propaganda machine hasn't told you that either.

    Remarkable world of difference made when the world isn't forced to cut you off entirely like the US did to Soviet Union.
     
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    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My hard work garbage beliefs kept me from being one of those poor 'woe is me' people you are referring to.

    Like them or not, that's the difference between me working at McDonalds, and me working as a project manager. $500 handouts didn't get me where I am, and it wont magically get anyone else there either.

    Life's tough, and the truth stings. You can lay down and ask Daddy (the government) to take care of you, or you can man (or woman) the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and get it on your own.

    You don't see me complaining about how many houses other people have do you? Because I know that I can have 10 houses too if I want, I just have to sacrifice to get to that point. If you cant find a job, then you're obviously doing something wrong. Are you mad because I don't fit your stereotype?
     
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    I highly doubt the difference between a Macdonalds employee and you is hard work or much of anything.

    The difference is you're white and you went through some social hoops.

    Fact is your probably mediocre or even bad at your job and knew someone that got you the job in the first place.

    America is not a meritocracy.

    American workers are some of the lowest productivity workers in the world. That most likely includes you.

    I challenge you to work next to a German or a Japanese or Russian employee any day.

    Russians work 45 hour work weeks. Germans work 46 hour work weeks on average.

    Americans work 34.
     
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    China would be still pushing around carts and riding bikes if they hadn't open up trade with America and the West. Much of their industry they stole from America and the West.

    What embargo of Russia? The only embargo I remember is when Reagan quit selling the Soviet our high tech. Why didn't Russia advance like we did? Mostly they were to wrapped up trying to hold on to the states they went through to get Hitler, making them a prisoner of the Soviet Union, while we gave back the countries we liberated. That had to cost the Soviets a lot. They were more interested in building arms than they were building products for the people. Hell they were short of everything from toilet paper to paper cups. Most of what they made was so old and obsolete they couldn't sell it on the world markets. I remember they couldn't even produce enough food to feed themselves.
     
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    I am Filipino, my mother was born outside Manila, but good guess. Its amazing to think that non-white people can be successful right?

    The difference is, instead of popping out babies or robbing people or dropping out of high school, I pay my own way through life, tuition and rent included. Nobody hands me anything. Growing up my father made less than 25k, my mother ran off when I was young, and my Grandmother, both aunts, father, brother, and myself all lived in the same house until I was 11. My father moved away when I was 14, leaving me and my brother to take ourselves to school, practice, and work (myself at a horse farm cleaning stables) to pay for our lunch money and fees to play sports. He was gracious enough to pay the bills on the house after he moved out.

    Fact is, I got my job now because I am a combat veteran with an immaculate record (meritoriously promoted twice) and secret security clearance. I am so bad at my job, I was made supervisor of 12 others in 11 months. This was while working a full load. Monday - Wednesday and Thursday - Saturday I don't sleep. Twice a week, for 36 hours at a time, I have to stay awake between work, school, driving to and from both of those places, and homework.

    I have no kids, no criminal record, no wife, and no debt (except a small student loan amount). That's the difference.

    So forgive me if I don't buy your 'nobody has a chance' theory, because its simply not true. Anyone, no matter where they were born or what their family income is, can be whatever they want. There is no law that says if you are born in Eastern Kentucky you cant become a doctor. Your path may be harder than someone else's because life isn't fair, that's just the way it is, but nobody, absolutely nobody, is destined to work a $11/hr job if they aspire to be something more and put in the work.

    I don't have the highest paying job in the world, and I realize that. I also realize that if I want more out of life, I have to work harder, so I am. In less than a year when I get my name stamped on a degree in Operations Management, with a military background and two years of work experience at my current job to boot, I wont have to worry about making $11/hr anymore. That's how it works.

    By the way, I worked 43 hours two weeks ago, and 47 hours last week. 6 days a week, third shift. I don't care what the average employee works, that's not my business, just like its not your business how many houses someone owns. I made myself desirable in the eyes of employers, because I worked at it.
     
  6. Niederlander

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    I don't care much for Internet anecdotes.

    Refer back to median wages if you want to have a real discussion about future prospects of American workers.
     
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    That's the thing, you don't care about success stories, like every Democrat here in America.

    Well, good, because I don't care about people who choose to accept their current situation. Beauty of living in America.
     
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    You don't know a damn thing about this country do you? Only what some idiots tell you.

    U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News

    www.cbsnews.com/news/us-workers-worlds-most-productive/

    CBS News
    Sep 3, 2007 - American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they

    I have read that most Europeans don't work a 40 hour work week and I think it was Germany I read that subsides employee hours. I'll look it up in a minute
     
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    And if you read actual books you'd learn that US counts productivity by adding the value of imported products such as the iPhone built in China.

    US appears productive because it outsources jobs.

    It doesn't mean US workers are actually productive.

    I'll take Pickety's et al. Word for it over CBS's any day.


    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-harder-charts
     
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    The facts on work hours and timing

    The average US workweek is 41 hours, 3 hours longer than Britain’s and even longer than in Germany, France, Spain, or the Netherlands (see the Table below).

    32% of American employees work 45 or more hours, compared with 18% in Germany, and 4% in France.
    Only in the UK does the percentage of employees putting in these long hours approach the US one.

    Over a year, the average American employee puts in 1,800 hours, which is more than any other wealthy country, even Japan. What is remarkable is the change during the past three decades. In 1979, Americans looked little different from workers in these other countries, working about the same number of hours per year as the French or the British, and many fewer hours than Japanese. Since then, employees in other countries have begun to take it easier, to enjoy their riches, but Americans have not.

    The picture is even bleaker than these numbers suggest. Not only do Americans work longer hours than their European counterparts, but they are much more likely to work at night and on weekends.

    27% of US employees perform some work between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.
    In France, the Netherlands, Spain, and Germany the comparable fractions are much lower. Even in the UK, only 19 % of workers are on the job at night.

    Work on weekends is also more common in the US than in other rich countries, with 29% of American workers doing some work on weekends, far above Germany, France, Spain, and the Netherlands; and even in the UK only 25% of employees do some work on weekends. But despite their greater likelihood of working at these strange times, those Americans who work then put in no more hours per day than the smaller numbers of European workers who are on the job at nights and weekends.

    Table 1. Characteristics of work hours in the US and elsewhere: Amounts and timing

    http://www.voxeu.org/article/americans-work-long-and-strange-times
     
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    I don't know how they figure that. I wasn't as much trying to show productivity as the long hours Americans work. I was right that we work a lot more hours than Germany.
     
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    US average hours are 34 a week which is not as much as Germany are you sure you didn't just click on the top Google search? I have a thread about how it is a lie.
     
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    What about someone who owns 2 really small homes. I mean like really really small, as in one utility 8'x8' plywood shed at one side of the woods and another 8'x8' shed at the other end, near the lake, for fishing purposes. And just own the houses, not the property which he towed those trailer sheds to and camoflaged so the forest rangers would not notice them.
     
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    You put it out there. I showed it's more than 40, you put one out that shows it 34 hours. That's closer to what Germany and several other European states work. Not the USA. I know it for a fact.
     
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    This person (or persons?) may fall into the catagory of owning 2 houses unless the new regulations for restriction of owning houses bill to be introduced in the future allows for some reasonable exceptions.
     
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    Your German stat is a lie. First year employees get 30 days of paid vacation. Sorry pal, that time needs to be counted against their productivity. They're losing 1/12th of their entire work year frolicking around for no other reason than they're selfish lazy fools. Right?
     
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    Wait. Is there a housing shortage here that our resident ruskie, account-hopping commie troll (Neiderlander, TheKeeper, ...etc) has discovered? In my area, we have houses sitting empty for lack of buyers. Perhaps, in russia, they have a problem with this?

    It's always amusing when people like the OP, who have obviously never left his own neighborhood, start analyzing the problems in other countries, based on nothing but the propaganda fed to him by his own media.
     
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    You want someone to give you a house? I am not following you at all.
     
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    Why are you using a computer when others don't have that luxury. Please prove you are a hypocrite and post again.
     
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    I thought maybe he was practicing.... for I dunno.... foreign minister or something. :roflol:
     
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    Why should people be allowed to own 2 houses?

    Because I can afford to that's why... Primary residence, cabin in the mountains, two condos in FL AND a small place in Belize. Don't like it, then may I suggest you get a good education and a worth while degree, work hard, save your money and invest it wisely. Still don't like it, then may I suggest that you get stuffed as I don't care.
     
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    Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own more than one house, if they want to?
     
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    "You shouldn't be able to own more than one house."

    OK, let me work hard for something and then turn around and give it to someone else. While I'm at it, why don't I just go to work every day and pay all the bills while my roommate with the Che Guevara t-shirt sits on the couch and watches Springer and smokes hash?

    Communists are as lame as they are stupid. Can't they just all go to Antarctica and do whatever they want? It's cold there, but they like being miserable so they have something to complain about to people who are tired of listening.
     
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    As long as everyone has one house, people should be free to buy however many they want. What becomes problematic is seeing homelessness rise and the cost of housing rise, while the wealthy have an easier and easier time. THAT is unacceptable.
     
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    Let me see if I have this right. You are poor and lazy and too dumb to acquire the skills necessary to earn a decent wage and so you're angry at the unjust world because you don't have what others have, of course you're not responsible for any of your misfortune, and you're ranting against Americans so I must surmise that somewhere in the world there's a place where no one is allowed to own a second home until everyone owns a home. So why don't you go there? Because you have to pay for the first home and every other home, and since you can't pay for one, I guess you'll never have one.
     

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