Why should people be allowed to own 2 houses?

Why should anyone be allowed to be free?

Let's just all do what Niederlander tells us to do. I'm sure it will all work out.

 

I wonder if he owns more than 1 computer while there are people in the world who don't own any.

 

My advice would be relocate to Cuba, you should be happy there.

 

Homelessness = poor choices. Envy is a poor choice.

 

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard, and I have heard a lot of ignorant statements.

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness*...

* This refers to property rights, in that owning property is a right.

And so, people are "allowed" to own two homes, because they have a right to do so.

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Heh.

 

Oh Im sure and a cell phone 900 cable tv channels etc.

 

Hmm, most people I know that own rental properties aren't multimillionaires. Also, if people weren't buying houses as rental properties, many houses would never be built.

 

Not if you take into account vacation times. Germans get 6 weeks of vacation off a year, starting. Most Americans get 3 weeks off, at most. I don't know anybody in the U.S. who has less than a 40 hour work week.

 

My property taxes just went up 1400 a year because lefties thought we needed more stuff in my town. Housing is rising because people want more free (*)(*)(*)(*) all the time. I have to work extra now for the same standard of living I had last year. If people cant afford housing I suggest berrating lefties that want more more more but want people like me to pay the bill. If you cant buy a home you need to work harder. It sucks but thats why the ole addage is no one ever said life was fair. If someone wants to give me the money back I paid for my first house then Ill agree, until then if you cant buy your own house because springer is on and you like your drugs and weekends off I suggest learning to like being a renter or liking moms basement.

 

Most people in the U.S. that are homeless have substance abuse problems. I think of that as a matter of poor choices.

 

What is your solution? I mean besides whining, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing, and moaning?

 

It has nothing to do with being fair or not, there is a process called "red lining", you probably know what that is. There are massive barriers for lower income people like myself to afford a house. I work as hard as you do, I put in my 40 hours per week like everyone else. I deserve a middle class life, and so do others. Guess how else we can lower housing subsidies, raising the minimum wage to a livable wage.

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Rent control for cities, lowering property taxes on homes of a certain size in the suburbs and rural areas. That would be a start.

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Many people become homeless and turn to drugs to cope. Why are you implying it was the other way around?

 

Im sorry, when did your nation land on the moon? Lol oh yeah never. You havent even made it to our 1960s work ethic. Ive never heard of a 34 hr work week. Its 40 standard and almost everyone works well past that whenever needed. I personally work well into 50 every week. Youre confusing part time work with full time. If you worked harder at learning you would know this.

 

You work 40 hr/week and can't afford a home.
Yet live in the most expensive state in the country. Wonder why.
Yet you have a computer, I bet a cell phone, cable tv. How much do you spend a month on those 3 things? Things that aren't necessary, if you truly wanted to save for a home.

 

I began working at 13 cleaning floors. I saved all of my money, bought a car before I was 16, used that car to get to multiple part time jobs, again banked every penny until I was 22. At 22 i had saved enough to put a down payment on my first home and had enough credit to where I didnt need a cosigner. While living there I remodeled whenever I could. I sold it after paying it off for 4 times what I originally paid due to my improvements I made over 20 years. I then used that money on another house, in a better area that. If you want to blame anyone blame the people who bought houses then proceeded to not pay the mortgage. Your chances of getting a loan now at 15 dollars an hr is 0. I wouldnt even bother wasting the ink in your pen. How much do you have saved for a down payment and what are the house values where you live?

 

If you're working 40 hours a week and not earning a "livable wage", how is forcing your employer to fire you going to make things better? You think a piece of paper signed by a governor or a mayor is going to make you worth more than you are currently worth to your employer?

Here's what you do. You go some place where land is cheap. You buy an acre or two and you build a house. It doesn't have to be much, right? Four walls, a roof, and some rocks underneath to keep it from melting into the dirt. That's what my uncle did when he got back from the second world war. A pot bellied stove was donated, a big wood burning oven for his wife to bake cupcakes with, and a well that took about a month to dig. You'll need a pot to (*)(*)(*)(*) in so you can build an outhouse, which is nothing but a shed with a big hole underneath a toilet seat. My uncle built a two-holer because that's the kinda guy he was.

Once you build your house, then you can say "I deserve to own a house".

It says you live in Oakland. Did you know that your rent is controlled? It's also controlled in Berkeley, as well as across the bay in SF. Hell, New York has rent control.

Here's what you do. Think of the most expensive cities to live in, and then check to see if they have rent control. Chances are you will. Santa Monica has rent control, Santa Cruz has rent control. The only places that don't have rent control are places that are actually affordable.

I went to high school with them. Believe me, the drugs came first.

 

Why should you be allowed to exist and live? Justify your life and all that you consume - since you claim there is some fundamental duties people have towards others?

You're one of those people who foolishly believe life should be fair, aren't you? Therefore, you conclude you should get anything and everything anyone else has for free. I'm guessing you are always going to be a bitter, unhappy person.

 

And what kind of fool thinks there should be some authority approving how many homes you can own. I worked with a man who grew up on a ranch and could do basic carpentry, electrical work, plumbing, and so forth. He bought derelict homes, refurbished them, and rented them, mostly to college students and working people.

You think someone has the right to tell him he can't do that?

 

Why would anyone want to breath life back into this stupid ass thread?

 

Rent control makes slums.

People don't become homeless and turn to drugs. People become homeless because of drugs.

Why do you think you "deserve" anything?

What kind of grades did you make in school? What extra studies did you pursue beyond school? What marketable skills did you learn for a better job?

Being a jerk-off in school, learning no skills, and not taking efforts so that the only kind of job you can get or ever have being an entry level low income job is your fault, pal, no one else's. People who are slackers in their youth generally pay for it the rest of their lives.

They used to teach this to children in such stories as the ant and the grasshopper and the 3 little pigs. Now they teach the lie that life is about fairness and social justice, essentially nothing about reality.

At a very young age for each of our children we will point to someone working at a fast foods place, mowing yards, and running a cash register at a store and ask, "Do you want to do that the rest of your life?" When the answer is "no" then our response is "then how are you going to avoid it because that is where most people end up." We literally point to someone like you with the question of how are they going to avoid becoming you? We then teach and guide them on a path to having a successful independent life as a adult. It this, they come to learn the personal rewards - emotional and in fact - of excelling. The reality? Life is a competition - a competition with other people.

Instead, you rage and lament at the lack of fruits of past efforts by you. Tell me you were a straight-A student. Tell me that you took jobs at a young age. Tell me that you pursued a marketable trade or job skill. Tell me how hard you tried to economically succeed. THEN - ONLY THEN - do you have anything to complain about.

Finally, a person making $10 an hour can get along just fine in this country. You should accept that you did NOT pursue a path to wealth in your youth and come to accept the station in life you put yourself into.

 

I don't know, but yeah why do left wing celebrities all own multiple huge mansions and vacation homes in the country that could house the less fortunate ? Yes we should strip them of their homes and make them give it to people who cant afford it.


Ok now back to reality..... Because they want to and its their money and everyone in this country has the right to as many properties as they can afford or try to afford.

Now get back to your alley and stop telling people they should support you.

 

Not everyone wishes to buy a home, and the only reason most people buy one is tax considerations. In the US second homes don't get the tax considerations the first home does. The main reason for the increase in prices is the increase in the size of houses and the lots on which those houses sit. My dad's first house cost 8 grand sat on an 1/8 of an acre of land, was three bedrooms w/ a one car garage and just under a 1000 square feet. It was brand new. It did not come with a washer and dryer or air conditioning. The average new home today sit on half an acre is nearly 2200 square feet. Comes with a washer and drier central heat and air and at least a two car garage.

 

Whilst the argument is well made, why shouldn't peope own two houses if they want to. I have enough trouble with one, let alobe two.

 

Wouldn't that be nice, but do you see anybody in the two party scam willing to reduce taxes on people who work for a living?

I know for a fact that most states are inflating the value of homes/land, up to 1/3rd what the actual value should be just so they can milk property owners. Some of these smaller areas, main town USA's where there isn't much in the way for employment, and average wages under $30,000.00, while the average home is appraised at over $150,000.00 when you would be lucky to get $50,000-$60,000.00 if you tried to sell it. Maybe the tax appraisers could put on some realistic glasses and reduce the rate to what the actual value of a home is based on the area it is in? Not going to hold my breath for either party to stop milking the working class for everything they are worth though.