NBA Hall of Famer: Black people need to stop looking for handouts

Yes the LINK I GAVE YOU WORKS., THE ONE YOU PUT IN NOT SO MUCH

Try it from your post 92

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=396243&page=10&p=1064742302#post1064742302

 

Poverty is higher now than when the $22,000,000,000,000 spending spree stated. Nuff said.

You're defending Obama hence 'your boy'.

 

AND what caused that? Oh right NOT the war on the poor, but anti poverty measure *Shaking head*

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Bubba you just lie by omission mostly. Sometimes it's an honest mistake, mostly NOT

 

Yes, I agree, with government programs, poverty has been lessoned, it hasn't been eliminated. If your not making a living wage, your still in poverty, although your no longer starving. Welfare didn't lift people out of poverty. It lessened it, but it sure didn't lift people out. All it's done is kept people's head above water, that sure is hell hasn't got them on their feet.

 

Yes and we still have wars after spending trillion too. And?

So NO you can't link to Obama saying that. I'm shocked, lol

 

I agree with the sentiment expressed by these two multi-millionaire black celebrities, but I would expand on what they said to include poor white trash should stop looking for handouts, and large corporations should stop looking for handouts, and poor latinos should stop looking for handouts, and just about everyone else should stop looking for handouts.

Damn poor and rich people. always whining about something.


POE.

 

Yes. And??? You think welfare and buying blacks votes is Constitutional?

I can and I did.

 

You mean AS the right attempt to even take THOSE safety nets away AND do away with min wage, much less increasing it to have the same effect it did in the 1960's???


Don't worry, according to the right, the "free market" will fix it and the US don't need no stinking Gov't interference!

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Buying black votes? lol. Silly little winger nuts are really going off the edge with that one Bubba

AND NO BUBBA YOU DIDN'T LINK TO OBAMA SAYING HE'D GET US OUT OF BOTH WARS!

Constitutional? Welfare? HELL YES!

 

As been pointed out, the biggest thing that keeps people out of poverty is keeping the family unit together. Dads staying with their family and both parents working. When that happens, there is little difference between Blacks and White.

 

That safety net is what keeps Blacks down, that helps break up the family unit. We would be a hell of a lot better to use a lot of that money having job training programs. Educating the public on how important it is to keep the family unit together. What we are doing now will never get people out of poverty. It only increases it.

 

YET the "law and order" crap of Tricky Dick and Ronnie "most corrupt admin in history" Reagan, disproportionately effect families of color. Go figure!

 

Minimum wage law is from 1938, not LBJ. Get it right lefty.
So generational welfare is a safety net?
The fee market has done and always will do more than librul handouts as I have just proven.


Yes librul, buying black votes..........

http://libertyalliance.com/lbj-ill-(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s-voting-democratic-next-200-years/

LBJ: I'll have those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s voting Democratic for the next ...
libertyalliance.com/lbj-ill-(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s-voting-democratic-next-200-years/
LBJ: I'll have those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s voting Democratic for the next 200 years. On March 20, 1854 the Republican Party was established in Ripon, Wisconsin. Referred...

Obama lied about the wars...........

http://nypost.com/2014/08/12/the-war-obama-didnt-end/?_ga=1.248582404.285998252.1424006965


Wrong again lefty. Welfare is not Constitutional, war is.

 

So we can't do both? Job training more educational opportunities, etc? Nah we need to give Corp welfare so the "job creators" can offshore jobs AND USE "LAW AND ORDER" TO DISPROPORTIONALLY JAIL PEOPLE OF COLOR? As crime has come down the past 30+ years incarceration rates AND SPENDING on "law and order" have SKYROCKETED!

WE'D BE MUCH BETTER OFF USING TAX CUTS FOR THE "JOB CREATORS" (THOSE TOP 2%ERS) THE GOP REFUSES TO RAISE TAXES ON (ONLY GOT THE TOP .08 PERCENT, $450,000+) WHICH LOSES $4+ TRILLION THE NEXT DECADE IN REVENUES, FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, COLLEGE, ETC. But THAT aint happening right? My gawd the "job creators" can't DARE go back to Clinton's too tax rate!!!

 

WIA and TIA have been around for years. Tell these welfare queens that they can get up to $10,000 free for an education. And corporations provide jobs. Welfare queens don't.

 

Got to go. My Sister is in town and staying with my other Sister and she is making us some eggs, country ham, fried potatoes and biscuits and gravy. Haven't had all that in years.

 

The lowest of the low informed can't comprehend simple sentences. Shocking

Generational? Don't know there is a 5 YEAR LIFETIME LIMIT BUBBA? lol




SO NO YOU CAN'T BACK UP YOUR ORIGINAL POSIT THAT OBAMA PROMISED TO END BOTH WARS. Got it

 

Free markets end up with labor movements and books like "The Jungle" and the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. History teaches us free markets are vile destructive things. Defending free markets requires a total remake of reality and down right lies.

 

Have fun with the family Bubba

 

We'll, I sure would have to disagree with that analogy. I think maybe what you are trying to say is that it is a certain "type" of welfare that doesn't lift others out of poverty right; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0UNRl-paQ? But not necessarily all welfare?

 

SO NO you can't follow the CONTEXT of the conversation. I'm not surprised


Corps have had record profits for YEARS on the LOWEST EFFECTIVE TAX RATES FOR YEARS? WHERE ARE ALL THOSE JOBS? Besides the ones they shipped off shore??

The "job creators" have had the lowest sustained tax "burden" in 80+ years ON 300% MORE INCOME THAN THEY HAD 1945-1980. WHY DO WE KEEP THEIR TAXES LOW AGAIN???

 

Of course they are, Whites are a higher percentage of the population. Compared that, with the crime rate and you have an epidemic in which Blacks are perpetual underdogs. Not because of racism, but because they themselves weren't able to build their communities forward. If anyone has a cry for racist policy, it's the Asians. Because as noted, if our "general social" policies weren't so generalized, the Asians would probably be overwhelmingly as dominate in our colleges as in their own countries.

Yet you don't hear that cry, a testament to their discipline and their honor IMO. What if we all could learn from that discipline? In essence, I've always wanted to make America more of a civilized country. I agree with the Old English in that we really haven't cultivated any sense of culture in America. I mean, our greatest tourist attraction is probably the Grand Canyon.

And when your greatest tourist attraction is a bunch of rocks and falling water, there leaves something to be desired. Don't get me wrong, I love America. But it's because I love the country that I can justly and fairly critique it.

"Patriotism is service to country, not service to government."(I forgot who the quote was from, but it expresses my sentiments exactly). A Government is a mere building. You want a better government? Simply elect better representatives. You want a better country? We gotta build that from the ground up.

All of us Americans regardless of race, creed and orientation: Let's move damn it, let's move

 

ALL people need to stop looking for UNEARNED goodies from the government, period!

Before any of us were born, the government put mandatory programs in place that have forced us to pay into them all our lives. Those mandatory "contributions", enforced by the exacting rule of LAW, formed a contract between government and the governed, and must be honored.

Aside from those specific government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, ALL the rest of it is nothing but various kinds of unearned charity and unearned welfare! Nobody, of any color, creed, or ethnic background should presume that they are owed any unearned welfare from the government!

 

Tell people to get off their asses and do something with their lives instead of whimpering. Corporations will always make big $$$.
Unemployment is at 5.7%. The jobs are there, go get one.
Your boy had the chance to change the tax laws but didn't.

 

Yeah, let's move on after you state that black people are prone to crime. This is why Affirmative Action is needed. Maybe black people should make 10% more in the workplace as extra incentive to work. But this wouldn't sit well with the free market types who would rather pay for black people to be on welfare. Oh well.

 

Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." Thomas Jefferson



Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.


http://budiansky.blogspot.com/2010/10/adam-smith-thomas-jefferson-and-other.html



Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation


In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...ates-are-scandinavia-red-states-are-guatemala


All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin

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"Your boy"

Dog whistle acknowledged Bubba