Sally Kohn wants straight daughter to be gay

Prove that.

How was your link different from mine? It only makes my point.

 

Except that the context of the synonym is not exactly the same as teaching as can be plainly seen from the main definition you offered.

Teaching is about showing a path that allows the person to question it .. so this is the path Sally is taking, which is plain to see from a less biased report than the one you offered. - http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a697c2-b847-11e4-aa05-1ce812b3fdd2_story.html
Indoctrination is about enforcing a path that does not allow the person to question it .. and this is the path that you want to assume Sally will take and for which you have nothing but assumption to presume.

Were Sally to be forcing her daughter then I would be one of the first to stand up and say what she was doing was completely wrong, she isn't forcing anything and she is doing nothing wrong ... your bias is the only thing telling you that.

 

Yes it is. You just dislike the fact I have proven my point.

 

Read a unbiased report - http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a697c2-b847-11e4-aa05-1ce812b3fdd2_story.html

and then tell me how you come to the conclusions you have when she says things like;

 

All you have done is given a confirmation bias fallacy, and have not proven you point in any way shape or form, the fact that you cannot distinguish between teaching and indoctrination shows only that you will do what ever it takes to confirm your assumptions.

By your logic teaching religion in schools is indoctrinating religion in children. .. and that is a load of BS.

 

no it doesn't, you are just yet again seeing what you want to see and ignoring everything else ergo confirmation bias.

 

As I said earlier pay attention to the language versus her actions. If any situation called for the old axim "Do as a say not as I do" its this one. She claims she is giving her daughter a choice but she is manipulating the environment in order to get a preferred outcome. This is no different than a scientific study that fixes the tests to ensure the outcome they want. She is manipulating her kid and any real parent wouldn't have to do that. Once again she is no different than a religious parent indoctrinating their kids. Let the kid grow up to be herself for crying out loud. A real parent would love her child no matter what.

 

That is your opinion, one you are perfectly entitled to have, my opinion is some what different. You have no idea as to what other literature is available for her daughter to read, neither is Sally chastising her daughter for playing traditional families with her toys, neither is she chastising her for having a crush on a boy.

you have seized on the fact that her mother is supplying books that show same sex relationships etc as proof-positive that NO other books are being supplied, and that is the ONLY thing she is going to be taught, you have no evidence to support that.

 

I was raised by a manipulative parent and so where some of my friends (Christian Evangelicals) so I do have a lot of insight into how it works. Its done by constant low key manipulation and over time it has a massive cumulative effect. Up till I was 19 I believed that evolution was a crock and that gays shouldn't marry. Thank cheese I started reading Hayek and Mill and other works and liberated myself from that dreadful propaganda. She strikes me as being no different just on the opposite side of the political coin. Parents should let their kids find out who they are on their own. Punish the kid for breaking house rules like curfews and cleaning the room but do NOT try and push them in one direction or another. Trust me your child will be resentful later on in life.

Regarding the books she buys, outside of toddlers and infants virtually EVERYONE I know lets the kids pick out the books they want to read. A children's book should be about silly fun and learning how to read. If the kid picked a "Mommy and mommy book" then great but let the kid pick.

 

Who's bias? Can you take a 'path' to homosexuality or not?

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.................expose some gay woman who implies that being gay is a choice.

 

This mother made no sign that she would try to brainwash her kid into being a lesbian, so we can cut out that nonsense. But I do find what she is saying a bit odd. I wouldn't wish my children to be anything--gay or straight. Whatever they are they are. I would think a gay woman would understand this more than anyone else.

Imagine her mother saying in public "I wish my daughter was straight, but I have a feeling she is going to turn out gay." That would be very hurtful for the daughter. I don't find her comments acceptable at all, to be honest.

 

Ridiculous interpretation. What Kohn expresses is disappointment that her daughter appears to be straight, not a desire to 'turn' her gay. What she has done is provided an environment that is affirming of gayness; which isn't really the same thing as trying to manipulate her child's orientation in that direction; it's not the equivalent of "ex-gay" therapy or parents trying to turn their gay child into a heterosexual.

But I get why some people would think that way, if they mistakenly believe that same-sex orientation doesn't exist or is 'taught'. It's a matter of perspective, and those who are pretending that this lesbian mother is trying to manipulate her daughter into being one as well are just revealing their own mindset, not saying anything truthful about Kohn's parenting.

 

So you don't think Christians are manipulating their kids to be anti-gay or anti-SSM?

 

Ridiculous dodge. Paths are chosen. Kohn is implying being gay is a choice. Deal with it.

 

Do you? If so, prove it.

 

WOW, you just repeated the very purpose of this OP, the very question that was asked, you really don't read the posts.

 

Nor did she rule it out. She seems upset that her girl isn't a lesbian. How do you know what she may do?

 

It isn't manipulation to want things for your kid. Every parent wants things fit their children.

It only becomes manipulative when a parent places what they want over what the child knows is right.

Some things you don't get to have. Want is irrelevant.

If she is putting her wants over her child than there is a problem but I don't see that occurring necessarily.

 

Is it not the cornerstone of the gay community that being gay is not a choice? If so, Kohn's 'follow my path' concerns belies that argument. So, is Sally implying that her daughter not following her 'path' suggests that being gay is a choice??

 

So you're good with Sally manipulating her daughter into becoming gay like her/.

 

My parents were upset when I told them I was gay. And it's okay. They got over it. It was difficult for a couple months but we hit through it.

I completely understand what they were upset, and I believe they had every right to be. They didn't grudge me, they tried it was difficult for them but they managed.

I didn't fault them for wanting something they couldn't have, I'm sure every parent does.

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What manipulation?

 

How do you? You don't need to explicitly state you aren't going to do something. Unless she said she was going to, or there is reason to believe she will (which there isn't) brainwashing is not an issue.

Imagine how absurd it would be otherwise. You disagree with me. However, since you didn't say you plan on killing everyone who disagrees with you on this forum, can I then say "well, you didn't rule it out, therefore we can assume that is your plan!"? Of course not.

 

My parents tried to get me to "follow the heterosexual path" and I tried for a while. I don't feel damaged or manipulated for trying.

I feel that may parents care deeply for me and wanted what was best for me. It's just that their idea of what was best for me wasn't accurate. Live and learn. I don't see any difference in what this person is doing.

 

We don't know what she may do. Neither do you.

My parents where upset when I came out to them. It's okay. That's human.

 

Read the post again. Its literally right in front of you.