Scott Walker supports eliminating 48-hour waiting period for handgun purchases

FFL's do not receive any training in recognizing fake ID's. I do know some that will refuse the sale when presented with an ID they are not familiar with, or an ID that does not provide the buyers address.

Also, many states allow FFL's to run the NICS check directly through the internet. The information required is the buyer name, state of residence, place of birth, date of birth, race. Its a trivial process of filling out a web form, hitting "submit", and you usually get the result back in seconds.

FFL's can and do perform the check at gun shows using their phone, ipad, etc. going to the website. It could easily be made into an app which walks a person through the process.

After Sandy Hook, one of the options for doing a universal background check was to allow anyone to access the NICS site and do the check without going through an FFL. That avoids the concern over record keeping and registries. Sen. Coburn pushed that idea strongly, but gun-banner Schumer refused saying that removing the record keeping defeated the purpose of the legislation. That's a big clue that the goal was not public safety but creating records of every gun transfer.

 

It is a grabber victory in legislation. Aside from angering gun owners, it serves no real purpose

 

hoplophobe much?

 

Fascinating.

It is only a trivial matter if the seller has access to a computer at the time of the sale.

They are still required to fill out the physical 4473 forms and maintain them for twenty years. Not everything can be done online.

Could easily be made into an app means that such a program does not currently exist. Meaning it is unavailable to those who could realistically benefit from it.

Then that would be considered good reason to not mandate background checks on private sales between private individuals.

 

What's the big deal about a 48-hour waiting period? Seems sensible enough to me, considering how handguns tend to be abused. In fact, I seem to recall a recent mass shooter having been discouraged out of getting a handgun by just such a law. I want to say it was Lanza, but I'm not sure now.

And people aren't exactly losing their lives because of a waiting period. If anything, it's probably saving lives.

 

Those who have never had their safety threatened by another and put in a precarious predicament should not be regarded as experts on what is and is not sensible. What one regards as sensible/reasonable under their circumstances is drawing from an extremely limited pool of information.

Adam Lanza was too young to legally purchase a handgun. Instead he murdered his mother and stole her legally owned firearms.

Then present your evidence to back up your position as factual rather than your opinion based on limited experience with the real world.

 

It's great to see we have at least 1 politico that respects the U.S. Constitution.

We have too many Liberal authoritarians pushing for the subjugation of the U.S. populace to the Washington D.C. government.

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It's great to have a new voice that is sane.

Welcome to PF.

 

My problem with the justification for waiting periods is that it interferes with only one episode of what is usually established behavior in the context of dysfunctional relationships. If Sally has a boyfriend or husband who abuses her, it's not just a one time thing. It's an aspect of the relationship. The waiting period can't change that!
Let's say that Sally gets a restraining order against her abuser. He swears that he's gonna' kill her.
This is all too common, and it all too often goes exactly that way; he kills her. Sally knows this. She needs a gun TODAY, before the fall of darkness. She also needs to go straight from the court to a place where she can arrange for her CCW classes, and training with her new handgun. If she actually did that, she'd meet people who would advise her to get that shotgun, right now, while she waits for the hand gun.
Of course, on the way home, she would be utterly confused, wondering why she was able to buy that shotgun right now, but has to wait for the pistol.
I'll reserve my opinion about Mr. Walker, while we wait to see if this is just a cheap political trick.

 

Yep, those deranged enough in the first place to want to kill someone are not going to become un-deranged in a couple of days.

 

It must be established that I am of no particular loyalty to any side or viewpoint that is shared by others. Simply I will argue whatever point or position that is necessary to bring forth the facts and the full truth of the matter. Rhetoric and pseudo sciences have no place in a debate of serious matters and will not be treated as such. Facts are all that is truly relevant, as is a willingness to rely on them and only them.

 

Right, because if I want to kill someone right now I'm going to forget that I can buy a rifle or shotgun immediately.

 

"Rights" come from society. They are all regulated.

 

Like what?

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Who said anything about anyone being guilty of anything?

 

That does not explain why you believe a waiting period is either warranted or justified.

 

I've already explained that. I don't see the big deal. Who cares if you have to wait couple of day? What possible difference could it make?

 

I will provide a list of events that can realistically occur within a forty eight hour period. But I will only list them if you are willing to engage in open, honest, and legitimate discussion. If you have already concluded that forty eight hours is a perfectly reasonable wait time that must be experienced before you can legitimately claim your own property, then there is no point is wasting the time that will be necessary in compiling the list, and pointing out examples in the news that support them as being legitimate possibilities.

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Because you have never been inconvenienced during a crucial time. Your experience in the real world is limited.

Anyone who genuinely believed their life was on the line.

Quite literally life or death. That is the possible difference it could make.

 

Your arguments can all be turned around in support of the waiting period as well. It is just as possible that the waiting period could allow an enraged person to rethink hastily made decisions.

By the way, my experience in both the real world and life or death situations in neither at issue nor limited my friend.

 

And if someone decides to engage in a hastily made decision after the forty eight hour period has passed?

What legitimate purpose does the waiting period serve if the purchaser already has a firearm in their possession?

What legitimate purpose does the waiting period serve in applying to handguns but not long guns?

That remains to be proven.

 

After 48 hours it is no longer such a hastily made decision . it may still be a bad one, but at least there has been a little more consideration. If they already have one it does no good of course. You can't put a rifle in your pocket and go see your cheating ex at work. And as far as experience goes I'm not going to discuss mine on an open forum. How about you?

 

Then you only disprove of bad decisions that are spur of the moment as opposed to being thought out?

In which case there is no legal justification for having the waiting period in place. Even if there was, that legal justification would fail to exist if the purchaser already possesses a firearm.

Yet you can wait for said cheating ex to return home and murder them there.

If the rifle in question is the Kel-Tec SU-16 then it can be folded up and potentially concealed in a backpack and taken to the workplace of the cheating ex.

There is little point in doing such.

Your posts however indicate one of two things. You either have not experienced the type of real world hardships you discount, or you have indeed experienced them, and simply do not care about those who continue to experience them as they are not currently happening to you.

 

Rights come regardless of society and can only be regulated lightly or they are not rights but only priviledges

 

I'm impressed. The 2nd Amendment folks want that well regulated militia to be able to mobilize in less than 48 hours because apparently the 48 hour waiting period was a threat to national security. I mean the US Army, the standing army that renders a well regulated militia irrelevant, isn't even able to deploy in less than 48 hours.

OK, NRA campaign donations about to be paid off. Next?

 

A standing army absolutely DOES NOT render a well regulated militia (all men of 18 or older) irrelevant. Who protects the people and their rights from enemies domestic? If the army gets rolled, who protects the people and their rights from enemies foreign?

Also, the Supreme Court ruled it to be an individual right.

Do you think that ALL of the Bill of Rights refer to Individual Rights except the 2nd Amendment? That's just ridiculous.

 

Can anyone show that waiting periods are effective?

No?

Then refrain from posting on the thread. Ten pages is far too long to post your foundationless bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Then why assume someone is "angry" when buying a gun?