Why the Confederate flag still flies in South Carolina

THAT works both ways. Think about what you want before the law of unintended consequences comes into play.

 

People outside the state of South Carolina have no say on which flags fly in South Carolina. ZERO.

 

Naw, any consequence that comes from removing a symbol of hate off of public lands is worth it. And it doesn't go both ways. It's a symbol of bigotry and hate and needs to be removed.

 

That flag should be publicly burned.

 

And the charred remains put in Dylan Roofs casket to be buried away for good

 

I can hardly wait to see you cite the constitutional provision(s) violated by such a policy.

 

That's according to you. Others have a different opinion. As far as the consequence being worth it? Really? You might not like the bill that comes with it. Call it buyer's remorse.

 

I don't proclaim to have my finger on the pulse of S. Carolina. I do know that people are smarter than to assume that by lowering the flag permanently that they would be blaming the flag for the murders. Apparently you have no faith in the intelligence of the average S. Carolinian.

As to your "point" about a provoking a response yes it will provoke a response. A response from the African-American community of relief, joy, and good-will. As to your point about "spitting" on their ancestor's graves that is something they will have learn to live with. That is what happens when you wage unjust war and lose.

 

I live in SC and it is time to get rid of it.
take it down from the state house grounds erect a civil war dead memorial at one of the many civil war battle ground parks we have in the state and place it there
Not because I'm against the flag or I conceder it a symbol of racism but because I'm sick and tired of that dam flag getting used as a weapon a club to beat SC with it anytime something racist happens in this state
It isn't worth it

 

In the American flag represents exactly what I said to native Americans. So what?

 

We'll be fine. The flag should be removed as it represents a very dark and hateful group of people and should not be allowed on public land or displayed in any way that represents America or its states.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

THAT choice belongs to the people of SC and not you. Get over it.

 

Not anymore. Remember you lost the civil war. You don't have the right to fly that flag. We WILL tell you what to do.

 

Naw, people all over America can respond and push for any state that chooses to use public land to push racism and bigotry be forced by the Federal government to remove those symbols off public land. It will happen eventually. The symbol continues to grow among the racist crowd.

 

Be forced by the Federal government? Sounds like you want the civil war all over again....for a flag.

Let's not forget that the slavery didn't end in the North before, during or recently after the Civil War. In Delaware slavery was legal until the 13th Amendment was ratified after the Civil War. It was legal in Kentucky too, under both Union and Confederate governments. Should we ban the flags they flew too?

 

#1 They have sovereign nations inside the U.S. Where they can choose not to fly the American flag if they so choose. Also that is not the same thing. It would be the same thing if Geronimo one the uprising in Arizona and Arizona became the Apache Nation and American ancestors living in a city in the Apache Nation were to raise the American flag over their City Hall. That would be comparable. Otherwise your equation is a total fail.

#2, #3, #4 and #5 complete revisionist history horse hockey. Abraham Lincoln had not even taken office when 7 of the confederate states seceded. What Constitutional usurpation happened to prompt them to secede? The legal election of new President? The South Carolina Militia fired on U.S. troops before President Lincoln took office. What Constitutional usurpation prompted that. No where in the Constitution does it give any single state the right to secede. It does however explain that only 9 states are needed to ratify the Constitution but that by completing that ratification it shall be deemed effective for all states. It also guarantees all citizens of each state shall be granted immunities and privileges of all the states.

Needless to say the Constitutional defense is an illegitimate argument easily refuted and only put forth by revisionist bull.... pseudo-historians.

 

It was in the Dred Scott decision. In the Dred Scott decision the court decided that all people of African ancestry -- slaves as well as those who were free -- could never become citizens of the United States and therefore could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that the federal government did not have the power to prohibit slavery in its territories.

And the reason its unconstitutional is because the constitution enumerates the rights and responsibilities of the federal government. It lists what it CAN do... and if it's NOT listed there then the federal government has no constitutional authority in which to engage in it. The Dred Scott decision made it clear that the constitution doesn't provide the federal government with the authority to restrict new states from being slaveholders. But they continued to do so anyway.

Not to mention they continued to allow slaves into their states without repercussions and without turning them back over... which is their constitutional duty to do so.

They were blatantly disregarding the constitution. The South was attempting to follow it.

 

No, it represents the Scottish heritage of the southern soldiery. Anything beyond that is your own biased interpretation.

Forgive me if I don't take your biased, unsubstantiated word for it.

 

Telling people what to do caused the first war. I guess you're pushing for round 2.

 

Why is it automatically assumed that southern politicians represented the views of southern people generally?

Do most Americans approve of or even know what goes into the legislation and court decisions that emanate from DC? If not, then why do you think the southern people were any different?

Why would poor, southern farmers and mountaineers fight and die for an institution that did not actually participate in?

And as long as we're talking about white supremacy, it should be understood that northern whites were just as racist as any of the whites in the south were. The idea that northern whites fought southern whites to liberate black slaves is political propaganda with absolutely no basis in fact.

 

Ohhhhh so you don't care that the flag stands for rape, murder, torture, slavery, genocide and biological warfare... as long as the ones carrying that flag won. I see. So when the native American looks at you and says the American flag is offensive to me because of what happened to my predecessors... what do you tell them? (*)(*)(*)(*) off?

No, the north attempted to restrict new territories from becoming slaveholders which the Supreme Court in the Dred Scott decision said was unconstitutional. They also attempted to make the constitution null and void by completely ignoring the provisions within the constitution that REQUIRED the federal government to force slaves to return to the south.

And blacks were NOT citizens as the Dred Scott decision and the supreme court declared.

The constitution states and I quote:

Article 4 Section 2 No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

The federal government cannot simply ignore the constitution, outright DEFY the constitution, then ignore a direct ruling from the SCOTUS and still be considered in the right. That's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing absurd.

 

You guys are not really making the Confederate flag look any better than what people currently view it as, lol. In fact you're just confirming everyones beliefs on what it actually represents to the people who display it or support it. #takeitdownSC

 

When supporters of the flag and what it represents starts killing innocent old ladies in a church, it's time to reconsider whether we want it flown for everyone to see. It's kind of an evil symbol now and it does not shock anyone that someone waving it around and sporting it on their vehicles would be a racist.

 

I'll ask you again. Who was attempting to unilaterally and unconstitutionally change or invalidate provisions of the constitution?

And who was trying to stop that?