OK....your DEAD....now what?

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  1. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What purpose would it serve if a God ruled here? God has equipped mankind to defend itself from satan, though satan has domain of this world. You are seeing the results of our failure to use our Godly weapons. IMO, this life is a training ground for heaven. We live the good, bad and ugly or our free will. God can't teach us evil with a book or video. On this earth, we learn to endure it and conquer it. It is unfortunate that you misplace blame for this evil on God. The less God in this world, the more evil you will see.
     
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    As far as pre-birth memories, they were always there. My brain and body formed around them.

    I may not have been able to understand the concepts of the original versions of those memories, but as my real world experience grew then substitute concepts were added and supplanted the original memory.

    The original version is incomprehensible.

    As for remembering my birth, I remembered everything. I had a very good memory up until I had amnesia in my teen years.
     
  3. cupid dave

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    Of course these men knew nothing of the genetics we now understand.
    It was not clear to them, that the living people have in their "blood" the genetic code which once made us for our own particular genes.
    They had no idea that the Unconscious mind we have hardly noticed, (except in those rare Third Eye moments from time to time), carries our mind forward, and it re-appears when our encoding makes us "born again."
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Modern science tells us that we are all the product of a genetic code which carries further into the future inside the human gene pool.
    This is the reason Jesus spoke of the "blood," meaning that inside the living generation today are all the people who can and will be "born again."
     
  5. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The Unconscious mind remembers these things, but our time in the womb is quickly forgotten once the doctor smacks our butt.
     
  6. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...
    The issue is whether Islam recognizes that God is actually Reality, who does have an identical image in His "son," i.e.; Truth.

    Reality creates Truth in the wake of its infinite and consistent unfolding.
    This is a FACT which Islam now ignores or has not confronted yet.
     
  7. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is true that our Conscious mind can not recognize the Unconscious mind, though recent hard evidence experiments using MRI equipment have allow us to gather Facts about the existence and even DOMINANCE of the Unconscious at work all the time.

    The book I recommended explains what this author/Physicists did and what research has now discovered.

    Nevertheless, many people, including the prophets too, have had experience when the Unconscious mind decided to "speak" to them:

    Example:
    "In 1920 when Neils Bohr was getting on a bus and thinking intently only of his daughter, the entire structure of quantum mechanics came to him in a flash (as he describes it). Where that flash or intelligence came from, and the timing of it, this is the Pure Intelligence I'm speaking about."

    This experience revealed the inner immanent God, inside us, in our genetic memories of past experiences.
    The Unconscious mind is waiting to be born again in us and bring firth truth from the past experience of our own other lives.
    The Unconscious mind is the entity to which Christians refer, when they speak of a personal relationship with God inside themselves.

    It is also what Jesus told us, too:
    He said, "the kingdom of God is within."
     
  8. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    It does? Where does science say that?
     
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    what if after we leave this body we are like mosquito's attracted to the light, the light of life, the life of a tree being born, the life of a flower being born, the life of a baby being born, what if the only way to escape this life death cycle is to learn to find peace with your mind while on earth while in human form, so that when you separate form this body, you can regain control of your consciousness and control your destiny, decide not to enter the light, we always here about entering the light, what if entering the light is the doorway to rebirth? (reincarnation)

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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...
    Seems simple, but that just is because it is clear to me, that if you are the dominant thinking on Earth, your selfish use of the Pleasure Principle will not regard the lives of the next generation as important.

    And, things like Unbalanced Budgets, excessive borrowing, and a steady depletion of assets in the economy will end with economic failure, and, hence, social destruction.
    You MAY take advantage while you are living of every selfish idea that occurs to you, but the kids in the future will have pay the bill, or suffer the cost in their environment.
    As men together do things which oppose the mutual advancement of mankind in general, the survival of our species is threatened.
    If men do not stop Wars and using wealth as the major goal, our species will be unprepared for the Reality which ill come, sooner or later.

    The fact that failure to adapt to the Realities coming causes extinction is important even for us.
     
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    Truth be told....No One Knows, and no one living ever will.

    I personally would hope there is something else awaiting me and like to imagine possibilities...But ANYONE that says they know or believes they do is to me at least, confused and illogical.
     
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    Instinct is one way.
    But even acting human is a behavior we have to remember.
    Our whole body functions without Conscious though from us, but behind the scenes, the Unconscious mind manages our metabolism.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Do you believe in Genetics...?

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    ... extinction...??
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes....I believe most things that have verified data to show them as accurate.
     
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    Reality is that we eat other animals, and that we can oppose mutual beneficial survival with other societies, or we can serve of selfish quest to take advantage of other weaker societies.
    The Reality is also, that we can decide that survival of our species demands we work together for a mutual benefit and prepare for hardships we know may and will come.

    Should we decide to work together, Truth, then is the savior who reveals what Reality may bring in the future.
     
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    Pretty words......useless, but perty.
     
  16. cupid dave

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    "The book also makes good use of illustrations, personal stories, historical events, and academic research, blending these various tools into a narrative so that readers can more fully understand and integrate the information. Mlodinow brings us his message with variety, richness, and depth.

    If you are familiar with the work of Dan Ariely, Daniel Kahneman, or other contemporary minds who explore why we do what we do, your understanding of neuroscience, behavior, and social context in decision-making will be even stronger after reading this book. If this is your introduction to social neuroscience, it will provide a comprehensive and engaging welcome to this fascinating area of study."

    And, despite what readers may think, Mlodinow shows that subliminal forces aren’t necessarily something to bristle at. Ending on a positive note, he wisely observes that our unconscious “is at its best when it helps us create a positive and fond sense of self, a feeling of power and control in a world full of powers far greater than the merely human.”
     
  17. cupid dave

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    San you see that only Truth will let one find peace in a Reality which exists and can kill people ignorant of it, ... kill them even as a species?
     
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    Perhaps I was a bit unclear in what I meant when I said that. What I mean by living my life how I want is that I refuse to be constrained by the rules of religious doctrine. I drink, smoke, cuss like a sailor, have casual sex outside of marriage, eat pork, etc. I won't NOT do something just because some religion tells me it's a one way ticket to Hell. Its a risk I am very willing to take.

    Now as far as screwing over future generations you don't have to worry about me. I am a very generous person with my finances as it is, more so than the majority of religious folks I know. Plus when I die I won't owe the world anything, I have spent my entire working career making sure of that.

    Now am I a good role model for kids to follow? Success and financial wise I think so, personality wise eh...not so much. Lets just say if you were ever looking for a babysitter I wouldn't recommend me lol.

    I don't do anything to really "harm" society any more than anybody else does with my non religious "selfish" attitude. I even take the time to recycle the multitude of beer bottles that I produce on a weekly basis even though its WAY more work than the measly amount of money I get back from doing it. My biggest eco "footprint" is probably me polluting the air with the occasional Marlboro every once and awhile. Well I'm pretty sure Captain Planet isn't too thrilled with my lifted 13mpg truck either though...but oh well.

    Im a middle class guy who lives a normal middle class life. I've worked for every single nickle and dime that I have and I actually live well below my means. Yeah I know our economy is collapsing and this generation of kids is literally losing its mind and their kids will likely be worse. But trust me, we'd be doing much better having a whole bunch of people like me running around over having such a huge fraction of mooching dirtbags running around our country depleting its resources and creating the most terrifying generation of young people this nation has ever seen.

    I'm damn near a Saint compared to a huge chunk of this country and mother earth in general.
     
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    Do you believe you are the product of the Genetic code, which is still inside of the Human Gene Pool?
    Do you believe your encoding is carried in the blood of the living people now, and into the future??
    Do you doubt that your coding will bring you "back," into another experience of the living.
     
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    I am not my father, yet he gave me a version of his genes to make me. Nor would my son be me even though he would carry a version of my genes. But that doesn't prove all three of us live forever or again after this life.
     
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    So you care little how your behavior is noticed as "Adult," and will be duplicated by the next generations who want to "be grown up."
    You see no problem with your open and displayed sexual promiscuity as hurting others, who are the kids???

    CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS

    63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
    90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
    85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
    80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
    71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
    85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

    These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

    5 times more likely to commit suicide
    32 times more likely to run away
    20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    14 times more likely to commit rape
    9 times more likely to drop out of high school
    20 times more likely to end up in prison

    Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:

    15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
    6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
    24.3 times more likely to run away
    15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
    10.8 times more likely to commit rape
    6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
    15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
    73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes

    Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

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    http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0
     
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    Campbell doesn't think so. For I think he would say information, digital, that creates the universe, can be stored on microchips(an analogy). Of course this Computer he is speaking of, isn't literally like the one in our virtual reality, he is using an analogy there as well. For how much space does Consciousness occupy? But given that Computer is not of space time, we would have to think about it, without using space time as one of its factors.

    Of course, this Computer, this Consciousness being outside of this subset we call reality, the virtual brain which is of this subset, cannot grasp it.

    So, I do not think the device you are thinking of has to be equal to all of the matter/energy in a universe, for even that is information, from Campbell's point of view. Of course, you can question the physicist, but he has thought about this for years, and would have already considered your objection. He has it worked out quite elegantly, and I invite you to spend a few hours listening to his ideas.

    I personally like it because of the elegance, and given I already thought the universe is manifested from consciousness, all that he did was to think about and fill in the details as to the mechanics of it.
     
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    We won't "live again" unless we avoid extinction.
     
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    No, the ancients knew nothing of DNA, molecules, atoms or anything like that. But however they came to their conclusions, it pretty well matches what we know today via science. Somehow they, the ancients knew things that they shouldn't if they were indeed as primitive as we portray or think they were.

    There is also the concept of the wheel of time. That time itself is not linear but as the wheel of time spins what happened before will happen again. That time itself can have many branches and even alternate histories and futures. Somewhere along the line the ancients came up with that too. Since we only know our own timeline and it seems linear, there seems no way of proving one way or the other if branches or even the wheel exists or time operates that way. Are there places in this universe where time itself runs faster or slower than at other points in the universe or here? Who knows. It is only our best guess with what knowledge we know as of today. Today a lot of what those in the past knew as scientific fact and theories are no longer valid today. Who knows how much of our, today's scientific facts and theories those of future generations will throw on the trash heap of history?
     
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    Campbell seems to be referring to the Unconscious mind, and he projects ideas about the Unconscious mind being "Collective," or the sum of the Unconscious mind alive at any moment in time.
    He ignores that more important fact that this Unconscious mind is ancient and the collection of actual human life experiences over millions of years.

    Hence, Campbell missed the major point here, that this mental facility is essentially what we call our memories of trut experiences and things.
    It is Truth, inside us.

    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; ... but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
     

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