OK....your DEAD....now what?

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1st Law of Thermodynamics, also known as the law of conservation of energy. Basically, the energy of a closed system must remain constant; the universe itself is a closed system. What this means is that the total amount of energy in existence has always been the same..it is the forms that energy takes, that are constantly changing.

    When we die, we take on another form of energy.

    Remember, mass is another form of energy; Einstein's famous formula E=mc2 ( c squared).
     
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    Theoretically..."RIGHT NOW" is an illusion. Most of the equations defining quantum mechanics are time symmetrical. They run forwards and backwards... It feels as though time flows, in the sense that the present is constantly updating itself. We sense hat the future is open until it becomes present and that the past is finished. Einstein's theory of relativity suggests the future is no more open than the past.

    There is no NOW. and therefore neither is there a flow of time. We are not experiencing fundamental reality, what we are experiencing is a reality relative to us. "RIGHT NOW" is only the brain blurring reality, a cognitive illusion.

    Anyway, it all gets a bit heady and yes.. we're temporal beings who are subject to temporal lives..denying time as a fundamental part of reality doesn't mean you can cheat death.....however the underlying reality of it all is far deeper than what is perceived.

    None of us can know what fundamental reality is, we can only "KNOW" what we perceive to be as reality relative to us.

    What happens when we die is therefore unknowable in the fundamental sense beyond what can be known in a relative way. We think nothing happens, we think we lose consciousness, our bodies return to the form of the basic elements we're composed of...oblivion. This is based upon an illusory perception of reality...a reality dependent upon a brain, and not independent of it. What reality exists beyond the one dependent upon the brain...well that's unknowable
     
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    WOW - you just admitted all it takes is for God to tell you to kill someone and you'd do it. Where the hell is your own humanity and morals ? Just because some other entity tells you to kill another human being you'd do it ? I appreciate your honesty, but you've just proven why it takes religion to make a good man do evil thing.
     
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    Adding to the scariness is the fact that any such "kill command" would actually be a hallucination. So religion conditions people to obey the crazy voices in their heads.
     
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    Of the unsaved? Yes. Of the saved? No.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
     
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    Ego is part of the Subconscious mind.
    It is really just using the Ego as the driving force for decision making, instead of the the Id-conscious inter reflections which compete with it.
    At birth, the Ego consciousness directs us to be interactive socially.
    Campbell is merely innovating about these things.

    He ignores that the one and only genetic record we all have is found in the Collective Unconscious mind.
    That facilities is always here, the sum of all the living collective minds, added to with every birth, and reduced with deaths of people no longer with us.
    But nevertheless, driven daily, eternally, active, and operating every moment as if a Third Eye which sees us all together and remembers everything we as humans, and maybe before, experienced.

    What we call Truth is what our Collective Unconscious mind remembers.
    It is what Christ said would always be with us, "in the kingdom of God within."

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    And then, resurrection...
    Resurrection from the gene pool, which is in the blood of the living people, where our genetic code rests, while we "sleep."
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I've left no "gene pool" for future generations and the only individuals concerned with an after-life are those that failed to live this life fully.
     
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    ... just don't tell everyone or advertise, nor demonstrate or openly show the next generation how sexually driven you are.

    I wonder what Freudian reason requires Gay guys to make sure they "kill" their own father by demanding to know what they like to do in their bedrooms with other men.
    I never notice Straight guys explaining to their father what do with girl friends, in spite he must know anyway.
    And why anyone (except women) want everyone to KNOW they would say yes to sex with girls, in general, seems unnecessary.
    Every girl at age 12 KNOWS all this.

    She also KNOWS that if the sexual mores permit, she can be sexual before marriage, during marriage, and after marriage.
    Why guys like that idea surprises me, except that the young guys will say it is OK before marriage.
     
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    You CAME from a set of genes which are still within the gene pool.
    Your Unconscious mind will be back when you are "born again."

    Right now, the Unconscious mind can send you messages and does so all the time.
    But your Conscious mind does not yet recognize this activity, and believes all the thoughts and decisions you make were conscious things you thought of.
    The day is coming when men will "see" the activity as clearly as they recognize activities of their Subconscious minds now, since Freud taught us about them.
     
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    Truth is never false.

    Our perceptions about things which we may consciously believe to be a truth can turn out to be wrong.
    But Truth is an ideal.
    It is like Justice or Love.

    We may think we see what s Just, but find out we were wrong.
    We may think we love a person we imaged to be quite different from what they actually turn out to have been.
    But the ideals still exist, and not depended upon our thinkings or feelings about them.
     
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    As in all things I suppose, it is our best guess with what we know today. Tomorrow that may change. I understand.
     
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    You have writings from Mohammed which were based upon the premise that Allah is one.
    He also did not believe that God is almighty Reality, and has a son, called Truth.

    From this point, he duplicated the Judaic ideals that had pre-existed Christ telling us that he was the personification of the ideal Truth.
    Hence, he actually opposed Jesus, but avoided criticism by announcing that Christ was prophet, one that he and muslims could basically ignore in act.
     
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    Yes, one is the image of the other.

    Reality is one, though.

    Truth is the grace of Reality, created as a record of what Reality has done in the past.
    Truth is like the History of all the singular momentary unfoldings of each frame of Realty which can be added the previous ones.
    Truth can also become a thought.

    Truth as thought is how man "sees" Reality for what Reality has done in the past.
    But Truth is NOT reality, and Reality is True, and added to Truth, but it is not Reality itself.

    Reality is like magic power which unfolds moment by moment much as a bomb might be imaged, explaining, and growing, and changing over time.
    Reality has rules called Natural Laws by us, which the Truth can help us understand.

    Truth has no rules, but is just a picture of what all unfolded "Realities" has done.
    And, Truth can enter our mind, but Reality can not.
    Truth can be used to figure out what Reality must be like, but Reality is separated by the senses from our mind.
     
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    Morality is NOT subjective.
    It means do nothing which hurts others, or do things which will prevent harm to innocent others.

    Ethics are subjective.
     
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    You mean Ishtar included here?
    Or do you mean Eros?
    Are are you saying that there is one god whom you particularly assume as the almighty reigns here?
     
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    The Scientific Question remains that does our Brain and Minds become more than the sum of it's parts.

    Also since Consciousness as far as Conscious Observation collpases a Wave Form to lock in Function and Value....well that tells us something right there.

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    Here is the problem with his concepts.

    He is using TOO SMALL A SYSTEM!!!!

    OK...Quantum Processors and Quantum Computers are a REALITY....Google just purchased one from D-Wave and the U.S. Military is said to have already 1000 Quibit and working on 5000 and 10,000 Quibit Quantum Systems.

    The ONLY WAY a Quantum Computer can work is if it works in conjunction with all the dupicates of it existing in all Divergent Universal States of Universal Reaility at least just in OUR ONE BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY GROUPING.

    As our Grouping having Infinite in Number Universal realities all are based upon ONE BASELINE REALITY thus they all have the same Physical and Natural Laws.

    Other Baseline Realities thus Universal Grouings do not apply.

    Thus Campbell is not only wrong but he is already PROVEN WRONG.

    Things are much more complex than he imagines.

    I have worked upon Multiversal Theory Models as the Many Worlds Model is too limited for Quantum Mechanics.

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    Dave...if a GOD exists....and I have no idea either way....it is not going to be like anything advertized by the Bible. Koran or Tanakh.

    Plus in a Multiversal System....our Infinite in number Divergent Universal States of Reality all have the same Physical Laws but JUST IN OUR BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING.

    There are also INFINITE IN NUMBER...Universal Baseline Reality Universal Groupings that have completely different Physical and Natural Laws than our own.

    It is just not INFINITE UNIVERSE of our Reality.

    It is Infinite Universes with INFINITE AND DIFFERENT FROM OUR OWN BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY with Alternate Natural and Physical Laws and alternate Space-Time Geometry to such an extent that we could neither Understand it or live within it.

    AboveAlpha...p.s....The More You Know.....the More You Need to Drink!
     
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    I know a LOT about stuff like this......WAY...WAY...TOO MUCH!!!!

    Sometimes I need to deaden my perception because if I didn't....the knowledge would drive me mad.

    So that's why I say...MAS TEQUILA!!!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Dave.....if you had seen the things I have seen....you would have another opinion.

    I am lucky in that I am able to block such things out...amny cannot....many commit suicide.

    The first time you see a child chopped to pieces with a Machete....it chnages you.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Unfortunately...way too much evil is done is some GODS NAME.

    I don't believe is Satan or Heven or Hell.

    I do believe there might be something going on after we die....but NOTHING like what is advertized by any man written Bible, Koran or Tanakh.

    AboveAlpha

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    If this is not a construct of your mind it would be amazing.

    The first memories I have of when I was about 4 months old in one of those SELF ROCKERS out in the back yard.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Nothing about this question is easy.

    We have no clue.

    But we do have a few scientific directives.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I have worked out every day for the last.....multile decades.

    I am older now and for me to keep up with 20 somethings moving quickly over difficult terrain takes extreme dedication.

    I am almost 6 foot 2 inches....237 lbs of pure muscle and tendon and ligaments.....I run 6 miles one day and 11 miles the next every day all the time unless I am on a JOB.

    I take a ALOT OF SUPPLIMENTS AND JOINT DAMAGE is my major concern so I take a lot of suppliments such as Gluco and Condroit....for that.

    I have family given Genetic Gifts on both sides....extreme strength....durability....unreal mental focus and an ability to ignore pain.

    I also hold many degrees.

    It's all about diet and exercise.

    Plus use FREE WEIGHTS.

    I eat a HUGE AMOUNT OF CALORIES!!

    Minimum....5000 a day.

    But my body burn calories even when I sleep at about 3 times faster than an average person.

    Eat high protein diet...very low carb.

    AboveAlpha
     

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