OK....your DEAD....now what?

Most likely....but I hope not.

AboveAlpha

 

Well...the Universe is NOT a closed system because if it was we would not have Dark Matter and Dark Energy comprising 96% of the Universe...at least THIS ONE UNIVERSE.

AboveAlpha

 

1. Humanity of morals are from God. He is your Creator, and you are expected to submit to His will. He is all-wise and all-just, so why should I care what puny, human atheists have to say about morals?

2. But religion clearly forbidding murder. I don't see your point.

 

The prophet never wrote anything, and Reality and Truth are one and the same in Islam.

 

I know you didn't reply to me but I have to ask you a few questions if you don't mind?

You said.....'Humanity of morals are from God. He is your Creator, and you are expected to submit to His will. He is all-wise and all-just,"...end quote Goomba.

He?

Why and How could any GOD have GENDER???

You and I and anyone else have absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE OR PROOF that a GOD of any kind exists.

If you replied to this person and member Channe....that this is what you BELIEVE.....I could respect that.

But you have take it upon yourself to post to Channe as if what you post is a verifiable fact...it is not.

As well you disparge Atheists and although I am not an Atheist as I am ANGONISTIC.....the ONUS is still upon YOU not the Atheist to supply proof or at the very least EVIDENCE of THE EXISTENCE OF A SUPERNATURAL DIETY.

AboveAlpha

 

How are you not assuming a few things there?

 

I told you, God does not have a gender. The Arabic masculine pronoun does not imply a male gender. Blame English.

The evidence is the Qur'an.

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Not assuming, Because God revealed His divine attributes in the Qu'ran, the immutable word of God.

 

You know...and I will probably take some flack from Christian's for this....as I have spend a fair amount of time in the Middle East....I have always found it sort of beautiful with the CALL TO PRAYER.....as well the Mosques are unbelievably beautiful inside.

Islam unto itself prays to the same GOD of the Jews and Christian's as all three are interconnected.

Many would say they are not...but they are.

The differeces arise as the Christian's beleieve Jesus to be the SON OF GOD.

The Jews believe the Messiah has not yet come.

And the Muslims have their version of a New testament with the Prophet Muhammed.

What some Christian's do not know is Islam takes into account Jesus as a Prophet.

Now all three Religions have had their share of EXTREMISM it just depends upon when and in what year.

EXTREMISM is NOT GODLY.....nor does any element of what any one be it Muhammmed, Jesus, Moses....etc....said a few thousand more or less years ago as these were ANCIENT TIMES when people did not live long thus a GIRL who was capable of having children was considered a WOMAN and this was true in all three religions.

HOWEVER...out of all three....Islam has held back those who believe in it in the Middle East but not the Millions upon Millions of Muslims living peacefully both Shia and Sunni.....with their Jewish and Christian neighbors in THE UNITED STATES.

There were GAS STREET LIGHTS and modern aplications for living in THE MIDDLE EAST which had at one time THE BEST SURGEONS....while people in Europe were using LEECHES.....the best ENGINEERS.....while people in Europe where living in HUTS and and building stone walls.....and the people of the Middle east in Persia, Babylon....which is where modern day Iraq is...and Asyria.....prospered.

Along came ISLAM....and it was not so much Islam as it was RADICALIZED AND EXTREMIST ISLAM that brought a once Modern Middle East BACK TO THE STONE AGE!!

There can be no denying this as how do you go from Gas Street Lights over 2000 years ago to what is going on over there now???

AboveAlpha

 

If it weren't for Islam, the Arabs would still be a bunch of pagans in the desert. Their achievements are due to Islam.

 

No....read your History.

Advances in Mathematics, Engineering, Surgery, Medicine all came in the Middle East well before Islam.

I am not blaming Islam itself for such a thing just those that Pervert it and those Extremists want to go back to the Stone Age.

AboveAlpha

 

Huh? Don't you know about the Islamic Golden Age? Islamic Spain alone had more books than all of Europe. Without Islam, the West would be hundreds of years behind today.

 

This is true but at that time there was not Radical Islamic Extremists who were anti-technology.

But the Mathematics, Engineering, Science, Astronomy, Medical, Surgery...etc...were all developed prior to the Prophet Mohammed's existence.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh how cute! Your first big day out and about.

 

And now the opposite is true. I happily give credit to Middle Eastern genius from the past...but they were not Islamic, yet. Islam stopped them in thier tacks and today tells them to turn around and walk backwards.

 

If morals are from God, why are you upset if President Bush believed it was OK to kill Muslims by the thousands to "bring freedom" from Divine Command ? Why is ISIS doing wrong if they believe they are doing God's commands ?

And I love how you claim morality is from God in the first stance, but then say "religion clearly forbids murder." LOL so all of a sudden man made religions have a place in determining morality above God ?

 

You belong in the arena with a sword in your hand. Just sayin'

 

What they believe is irrelevant. What matters is whether they are following the correct teachings of God. Since ISIS are barbaric and unjust and have no mercy whatsoever, their tactics are clearly anti-Islam.

1. Um, religion comes from God.

2. It is your opinion they are "man-made."

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Islam stopped them in their tracks? It's called the Islamic Golden Age for a reason.

 

Then you are ignorant of Islamic history.

http://islamichistory.org/islamic-golden-age/

 

But you do agree that there is just one reality no matter how weird it may turn out to be.
Right?

And that would the Truth, then, too.

 

Firstly...why is your God better than anyone elses? is it because YOU think so....sounds pretty conceited to me.

Secondly....the reason it is considered "Man Made" would be due to the FACT everything that was written was done so by man.

And Finally...how can it be considered a golden age when it takes people into darkness?

 

Yeah, but its not even an opinion that I hold, just an idea from someone else.

For me, all of this stuff is unknowable. As is the answer to the question of the existence of god. We simply cannot know the answer. We can be dishonest and lay claim that we do, but there isn't a way to know it. So man makes up ideas, which we are very good at doing.

So I see atheists and theists as in the same boat, in their claims of certainty. And those who believe in heaven and hell, or those that claim neither exist. For they do not really know, just opinion.

Agnostics are the only people who lack the arrogance of belief taken as fact. They are also less likely to do something bad to others, for their own good. LOL

 

I cannot recall exactly the event in Islam that ended the importance and the quest for secular knowledge, but one did take place. It was a decision made by some higher up in islam to not delve into such things as science does. And when this transpired, secular knowledge of the world, the universe was no longer important, putting an end to it.

It was an illustration of showing the negative side of religion when it comes to advancements in math, science, technology. And so most of it then came from the west and the judeo Christian area of the world, piggy backing on the tradition of ancient Greece, who has had a tremendous influence upon science and philosophy.

 

Logic dictates that God, who is the perfect Creator of everything, and who encapsulates all the divine attributes (all-just, all-wise, etc...) is "better" than all the false and deficient pagan deities man creates out of pure whim. I don't think anything, but choose to worship that who is alone worthy of worship.

Islam was revealed through recitation, not written text. The word "Qur'an" itself means recitation.

But it didn't. The Arabs were a pagan, tribalistic peoples in constant warfare that used to bury their daughters alive. Islam (God) brought then out of the darkness, whereby they became the military and intellectual rulers of the world. Why they declined is another story.

 

But does it help make you see the Truth?
Can one see that there is a Battle of the Sexes going on and has been going on, at least since 1350 BC?
We have the only written statements from a Hebrew patriarchy, recording their actual history and their specific intents to eliminate by force sexually promiscuous nations.

Now, after Mohammed, we see Islam repeat the same things again.

Does that make one think that they need examine this HISTORICAL process which repeats itself again and again?

 

I don't see what it has to do with religion. Islam obligates the seeking of knowledge. Ideed, scientific discoveries had to adhere to Islam. If they didn't, scholars had to reinterpret the religious text in order for religion and science to be in alignment.