Trump's attacks on John McCain offends me as an American

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    What does the reason for his deferment matter? Are you saying he is not entitled to his opinion because he did not serve? Funny you just said the opposite above.....wow, just, wow.
     
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    Right on. As Americans, we should be offended by politicians who prefer personal attacks on opponents rather addressing the issues. The media is now making an issue of whether Scott Walker believes being gay is a choice. Is this cosmic question really a basis for choosing a president? Get over the phony indignation and look at the issues and where candidates stand on those issues.
     
  3. Hoosier8

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    Fact check.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/
     
  4. justthefactsma'am

    justthefactsma'am New Member

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    ... already shaking in fear of Sarah Palin.


    (Those "Libs over whom some obsess are quite the figments!)
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    Which only means she is not a lib shill willing to tell lies.
     
  7. justthefactsma'am

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    Correct, it means she's a conservative hack writing an opinion piece.

    Just the facts when you're attempting to cite facts, ma'am.
     
  8. Hoosier8

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    Of course Trump's words don't really count, only the ideology that ignores what he said to convince useful idiots of the liberal narrative.
     
  9. Natty Bumpo

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    At this stage of the nominative process, serious Republicans really want all the media and public attention concentrated upon a media celebrity with no political experience fantasizing about rapist invasions, insulting war heroes, and demeaning American POWs.

    The GOP must be giddy that all is going so swimmingly for them.


    A Giddy Republican:
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  10. pol meister

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    Then you shouldn't be commenting on matters regarding the Vietnam era. If you were born 25 years earlier, you might have been a draft dodger living in Canada today.

    People in that time either got a student deferment or some other deferment, joined the national guard, enlisted, got a high lottery number after that was enacted; or got drafted. As I recall, I ended up with both a student deferment and a high lottery number. Trump is older than me, but as he reported in the news today; he got the same.

    Nothing good or bad about any of those scenarios, that's just the way it was back then.
     
  11. garyd

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    No it's claer he doesn't think much of John McCain, what he thinks of the military in general may well be something else entirely. Meanwhile there was a rather scurrilous document circulated by the left during the McCain presidential run that makes anything Trump said look tame. What is with the left's odd attachment to other people's medical records? Oh and if the reason for deferment was flat feet then what?
     
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    I watched the entire Trump episode on CSPAN yesterday, did you? Or are you just regurgitating what you hear in the news coverage?

    If saying it like it is constitutes an attack; then I guess political correctness got attacked yesterday. That's all fine with me. The attacks that I considered NOT appropriate were the attacks on Trump by Perry and Walker, and now Rubio as well in the press today. Perry's campaign officially ended for me yesterday; and Walker and Rubio are digging themselves a pretty deep hole.
     
  13. El Cid

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    Let's get a few facts straight about John McCain:

    He's been divorced at least once and had a reputation for infidelity. He married a multimillionairess who inherited several hundred million dollars from a beer business.
    He lives in a ritzy gated community and receives tax payer funded Secret Service protection.
    Which is why he feels completely safe from illegal alien crime which he swamps regular Americans with.

    He graduated at the very bottom of his class and only got into the Naval Academy because of his Admiral dad.
    He crashed his plane onto the deck of an aircraft carrier during a landing and created a deck fire endangering his fellow seamen.

    He was involved in one of the biggest real estate scandals in US history.

    He is almost universally hated by his fellow REPS for his abusive and irritating style of bullying them into his positions and is a complete fraud on campaign finance reform which he sought to exempt HIMSELF from while grandstanding the issue to everyone else.

    Just because you were captured by the NVA fifty years ago......doesn't give you the right to be a dirtbag for the rest of your life. Ask James Stockdale.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  15. tidbit

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    Does Obama's lack of military service offend you, or Bill Clinton's lack of military service offend you; or does George Bush's (who went AWOL while in the National Guard) lack of military service offend you? How about Jeb Bush? Does his lack of military service offend you?
    John McCain called those of us who entertain the thought of a Trump presidency--"Crazy". Has the GOP turned into a bunch of little name callers like the democrats who call everyone racist, anti-Semitic, stupid, etc. if they don't agree with them?
    Ms. Crazy
     
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    Donald Trump's new theme song: "Bye Bye, Birdie." :roflol: He is as good as gone from this campaign. And I say good riddance.:clapping:
     
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    Trump was expressing his opinion of a public official; therefore, his remarks are not defamation. There is no need to apologize for expressing opinions in a political campaign. The other candidates now find it politically expedient to express indignation.
     
  18. PatriotNews

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    I don't care if Trump puts down McCain. McCain deserves it. He's a traitor to his country and his party. He has been surrendering to the democrats for years on immigration, judicial appointments and now the power of the purse and the treaty power. He runs as a conservative and votes as a liberal. He handed the presidency to Obama because he refused to dig up the dirt on Obama, which there is plenty of.

    He and Lindsey Graham were leading the charge against Libya and for sending those arms to Syria from Libya and look how that turned out.

    Years in a POW camp is not a free pass to be a lousy politician.
     
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    Trump is the only candidate now, or in 2008, that had/has the balls to put McCain in his place. McCain is a loon and needs to be exposed as such. I find it amusing that he would say things like, 'Trump is bringing out the crazies, Trump is divisive, Trump is bad for the GOP. The republican who can lay claim to being the worst for the GOP was John McCain. If the GOP would have run someone besides McCain/Palin against Obama in 2008, we might not have had eight years of Obama. McCain's war record is there for the reading. Google it. Afterwards, you decide if McCain is a hero.
     
  20. Zorro

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    Well if this country is short on anything, it's certainly could use more folks who are offended, we can't seem to find any of those those lately. McCain called his own constituents "Crazies" and Trump zinged him back, I suspect McCain will live, you would think anyone who calls his own constituents "Crazies" would have thick skin.

    What do you think of McCain's "Just Build The Dang Fence Ad" that would before of course he joined the Gang of Ocho and described anyone else who supported a fence as a member of "The Crazies"?

    I disagree with Trump though, McCain was a hero of Vietnam, but he is a terrible senator. Has he ever seen a war he wasn't for? Remember when he:"vetted" the "Syrian Freedom Fighters"? Kidnappers who are now fighting with AQ?

    What a mess, he had his day, it has long since passed, its time for him to yield to the younger crop of GOP.
     
  21. Logician0311

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    I consider myself a liberal, and I served in the military. Now what?

    This coming from someone who is apparently a member of the party who disagrees with every part of the Constitution except for half of one amendment... :roll:

    Yup, saying that troops who have been POWs aren't worthy of respect definitely has nothing to do with the troops... said no rational person ever.
     
  22. garyd

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    And of course that isn't what he said. He said McCain he didn't mention every other soldier that's ever been. Look I'm not a Trump supporter but all these jackasses acting as if comments about John McCain were directed at every other human being that ever wore the uniform are acting like fatuous bilge rats. And ought to be treated with contempt.
     
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    He very clearly said that he only likes those who weren't captured. That pretty much rules out all former POWs...
    With numerous broken bones and post-rescue injuries, McCain refused to give information to his captors - even when they made information a requirement for medical help. Thus he didn't get any medical attention until the point where his captors believed death was imminent.

    When they learned who he was, the Vietnamese wanted to release him, but he refused to leave until those who came before him had been released.

    And yet the same folks who pretend to regard other disabled veterans as “heroes” now want to support a blowhard that disparages McCain’s record… in a war that included a draft dodged by that same blowhard. Why? Because McCain isn’t an extremist shill. It’s pathetic.

    Are you suggesting that Trump somehow respects other members of the armed forces when despite having no respect for someone with McCain's record?
     
  24. Zorro

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    Fact Checked:
    https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/

    Three apparently is given out for a baldfaced lie
     
  25. Professor Peabody

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    Are you equally disgusted with Wesley Clarke's?

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/
     

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