Ten killed in shooting at Ore. community college

Only after he broke it. Up until that point he was a law abiding citizen.

 

More guns, demonstrably, do not make society less safe.

 

Sure they can..................

Did Chris Harper Mercer have a concealed carry permit? If not he was banned from bringing guns on school property.

 

As ridiculous as thinking you can disarm the legal owning populace, while having no way to disarm the illegally owning populace. Regarding bad guys caring that there are guns? If they didn't care, why not shoot up a gun show where they will be GUARANTEED to be put down before any cops show up? Why not show up at a gun range then start shooting people? I guess the fact that the ability to shoot and hurt a whole bunch of people while having total power over them, because they're relatively helpless while unarmed, isn't the main motivating factor as to why EVERY mass shooting happens where they're least likely to be confronted being someone else who's armed until AFTER they're had their fun?

This is NOT a movie, people won't be walking around with AKs slung over their shoulders everywhere, just like people don't walk around with broad swords slung over their backs. Want to know about reality? Growing up in the 80s in NJ, we walked around in broad daylight with .22 rifles to go plinking in the woods. GROUPS of us and nobody said diddly squat and NO ONE EVER GOT SHOT ACCIDENTALLY and I can recall any mass shooting in schools either. Nobody stopped us and asked who we were going to rob. Cops never confronted us. And this was NJ!!!!!! I have friends from FL who have similar upbringing. Nobody said boo about it.

The FACT remains, the bad guys ALWAYS pick the easiest targets. True or FALSE? the bad guys ALWAYS choose places with greatest odds of having power over everyone. They KNOW they'll have the advantage. WHat happens when you remove that advantage because the bad guys have NO IDEA if someone in the room will shoot right back at them?

Like I said, nobody goes shooting when they know others can shoot back. Why do you think that is?

 

It is common sense. Self defense is a right protected by the constitution. Unarmed security "protecting" this campus. That's not common sense.

 

The US is proof than in fact they do, as recently as yesterday.

 

It's not my picture to change but it's a photo of Darren Wilson and Vester Flanagan.

Neither of which have anything to do with Zimmerman.

Look closer, or something.

 

It might work that way where you live, but that's not true of every place. It wouldn't work here.

 

If someone is mentally unstable enough to commit a mass murder, labeling some area as a "gun free zone" is not going to stop them from bringing a firearm into the area. In fact, all that label does is to tell this idiot that it would be unlikely that he will encounter armed resistance. That means he will have more time to increase his body count and therefore increase his infamy. This shooter even said something like that himself that they speak about you more if you kill more people. Based on this, there is little doubt in my mind that UCC was chosen because of the low chance of someone else having a gun.

 

No. I would never support anyone confiscating my guns. Nor will I ever have to worry about it.

 

Nosir... FBI data indicates that violent crime has been plummeting for years, while gun sales and CCP issues are at an all-time high. This proves that more guns does not make society less safe. Because there ARE more guns (and more gun owners), and society as a whole IS safer.

So, logically, that means one of two things:

1) more guns have no positive effect on safety at all, or
2) more guns makes society safer.

It's proven that more guns does NOT make society more dangerous, so, if there has been even ONE verifiable instance where a gun owner prevented a violent crime, then the only logical conclusion is, "more guns make society safer".

 

Oregon has very strict gun control laws.

There should be no gun control laws.

 

Obviously, government schools may have a problem with this. Private schools can do it though. Disclose prior to acceptance that 'teachers are armed for security', and that waiver of liability is required as a condition of admittance. I'd choose that school over a government school for my kid, any day. Particularly if they made that policy loudly public, with warning signs, etc. Especially if they offered gun-safety courses as part of the curriculum.

 

Then why was there only 1 mass shooting and not 54? Why was the mass shooting rate non existent between 2001-2005 compared to 2006-2015 with the gun count not that much more?

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BTW, people need to stop instantly assuming NRA or Mental Illeness, I have a feeling this guy knew what he was doing.

 

so what do you suggest the punishment be for a teacher that puts a gun on the desk to intimidated students, if one says they were intimidated, arrest the teacher for a felony?

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ok, lol, your right I was wrong, for some reason I was thinking that was the Zimmerman case, got the two confused...

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As you have provided no evidence that the article I posted was not factual, it's obvious that you are wrong. Sorry.

 

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How would you determine that a purchaser of firearms is a potentially homicidal maniac and/or criminal?

Whether you might believe such a silly thing I have no way of knowing.

Society regulates automobile drivers, not because the vehicle might cause a driver to endanger the public, but because he might do so if he is untested, underage, inebriated, vison-impaired, criminally reckless, etc. We, as a society, have decided upon reasonable precautions to reduce the likelihood of such an individual wielding an automobile on the public roadways.

That does not mean that all are prevented from doing so.


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Are you saying that the guns caused him to kill 9 people? What proof do you have of that? That is convoluted thinking. Do you think that a security guard with a gun would have joined him in killing more innocent people? Please, think about what you are posting.

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Define 'free killing zone'....You make no sense at all.

 

Are you suggesting that having to get the gun from the black market would have stopped him? Somebody who is willing to kill 10 people, would not be willing to illegally acquire a gun?

 

FBI data indicates that violent crime in the US has been plummeting for many years. The US as a whole is becoming a safer place to live, every year. It is leftist scare-tactic propaganda that has you believing that we are not progressing towards a safer society. And should you refuse to accept that fact, it will be due to your own blind partisanship.

 

You cannot, reliably, do that. The NICS check is the closest thing we have to that ability.

Ownership of automobiles are not a constitutionally protected right.

 

The information was posted by a few posters. I have no need to repeat what they said as its a simple click a link in there post type of deal. You just want to believe your hit piece over the facts of the case.

 

To be fair, if a conservative quoted an article from FOX news or the NRA you would be suspicious of the information (and if not, that would be strange) so understand that some people here do not trust ThinkProgress for a valid reason.

 

And considering the information from the College's own site has been posted where they called for a complete ban of even things like water pistols in there buildings.... ThinkProgress is quite a funny name as is shows they do the thinking for Progressives as this thread displays well.