Israel is a European colony formed mostly by Britian during the mandate, for understanding have a read. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks For Israel's new historians, among them Segev and Naomi Shepherd, the Zionist project is part of the saga of white settlement, as in north America and Rhodesia. The settlers declared independence only when they no longer required the mother country's soldiers to subdue the natives. Presenting Israelis as colonisers, rather than as enemies of imperialism, was once the preserve of Palestinian and Marxist writers. Many Palestinians, notably Nur Masalaha, have done pioneering work on what Israelis called 'transfer', that is, the forced evacuation of Palestinians from their homes and villages, or what in a later context would be called 'ethnic cleansing'. In 1973, the French Marxist Maxime Rodinson's book Israel: A Colonial Settler State? required a questionmark in its title that Segev and Shepherd would probably remove.
Neah.... We just hate those people who go across their recognized bordes and go ethnic cleanse some poor oppressed people, thieve their property, and live on that land with the full compliments of Israel. And it just so happens to be that those people are Jews. I mean. I'm sure you heard of stories that the muslim community is being morally held responsible for the terror attacks made in Brussels. Plenty of them must have known something was up. Plenty of them knew where them wanted terrorists were hiding. This is just the same train of thought for the Jew who likes to thieve around and ethnic cleanse Arabs. It's not as if the Jewish community vocally dislikes this very much.
Israel has about 6 million Jews. Something like 3 million Jews immigrated to Israel since 1948. Easy to say many of the Israeli Jews are a bunch of dual citizen immigrants living in Israel.
the USA and EU have placed very strong sanctions against Russia. ...and yet it is Israel that is being treated unfairly? LOL!!!!!!
The Jewish Encyclopaedia: “Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.” The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia: “The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz… in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim… About 92 percent of all Jews or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim.” Encyclopaedia Americana: “Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands…it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel… In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population.” The American Peoples Encyclopaedia: “In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 6: “Khazar, member of a confederation of Turkic-speaking tribes that in the late 6th century A.D. established a major commercial empire covering the south-eastern section of modern European Russia…but the most striking characteristic of the Khazars was the adoption of Judaism by the Kagan and the greater part of the ruling class in about 740…The fact itself, however, is undisputed and unparalleled in the history of Central Eurasia. A few scholars have ascertained that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many of the Jews of Eastern Europe and Russia.“
Seriously? I said that about half of the Jewish population came from abroad. The people, if they became Israeli (safe to say so), than they are dual citizenship holders. And their spouses and children probably get the same right if they wanted to. Obviously this can be concluded that more than half of the Israeli population got dual citizenship. That I don't got an exact number, is something that doesn't concern me at all.
So you don't know how many. Ok, if it's even a trillion it matters not as all nations are permitted to enforce their own immigration policies. Have a good day.
Because you are wrong. Most were born there, 70% of Jews and 100% of the Arabs who comprise 20% of the population. Now prove your point by telling us all how many or just accept the fact that most Israelis were born there.
@ Drew You are nonstop regardless of how many folks show you how far off you are. And how do you completely disregard the facts? The Jewish Encyclopaedia: “Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.” The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia: “The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz… in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim… About 92 percent of all Jews or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim.” Encyclopaedia Americana: “Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands…it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel… In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population.” The American Peoples Encyclopaedia: “In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 6: “Khazar, member of a confederation of Turkic-speaking tribes that in the late 6th century A.D. established a major commercial empire covering the south-eastern section of modern European Russia…but the most striking characteristic of the Khazars was the adoption of Judaism by the Kagan and the greater part of the ruling class in about 740…The fact itself, however, is undisputed and unparalleled in the history of Central Eurasia. A few scholars have ascertained that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many of the Jews of Eastern Europe and Russia.“ But please continue, I'm grabbing snacks
Sam, that's all good and fine but most Israelis were born right there. I sort of envy you, what with living in the past and being able to watch 'I Love Lucy' on your black and white.
Nope I am right. Between 1948 and now,.. 3 million jews went to Israel. That is now half its Jewish population.
Assuming they are all still alive 65 years later but, the birth rate is the highest in the developed world which means that ""In 2014, 75% of the total Jewish population were "Sabras" - born in Israel"" and almost 20% of the population being Arabs were also born there.
In some European countries, being 65 won't even qualify you for retirement. dodgy source with no footnotes. Wikipedia says 70,3 are Sabras and half of the Jews are 1st the direct descendants of immigrants. So that still makes it 30% with double nationalities and and other 35% who inherited from their parents. Making it 65%.
I don't see Israel being singled out. I know they play up to the victim image, but it's just another rogue state. Just another fractious middle eastern regime. One of many. People also single out Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea. Also America, Britain, China, Russia. What's new?
the USA has very harsh sanctions on Iran, Russia, North Korea, Cuba how exactly is Israel bring treatest harshly?
Depending on how old they were when they arrived. If they were fifty then they're dead already and so on and forth. In any case, all of the three million are not alive at this point in time and all I was illustrating was that those figures are rather useless for our little exercise. I didn't think you would like Wiki so I passed it by. I see you will accept it so I will run with that then. Wiki says; ""According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background."" That's 5,518,800 Jews. ""[23] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (born in Israeli), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[24]"" 20.5 plus 9.2 is 29.2 percent who are immigrants. Not fifty percent. If you can show me where dual citizenship can be inherited by a natural born Israeli then please do so but I looked and could find nothing stating so therefore, thirty percent, not fifty.
The fact that people come from outside its territory to not make it a colony. >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<< Then again its to be expected. Logic, consistency, are not things one would expect.
The population of Palestine in 1920 consisted of 13% Jews, FACT. Jewish immigration accounted for the large increase. as yet again I reel out the facts for those who will not except it, ignore it and keep insulting people to try to stifle debate, IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE 15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent. 16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths. Indeed, the natural rate of increase of Moslem Arabs in Palestine is the highest in recorded statistics,1 a phenomenon explained by very high fertility rates coupled with a marked decline in death rates as a result of improved conditions of life and public health, The natural rate of increase of Jews is also relatively high, but is conditioned by a favorable age distribution of the population due to the high rate of immigration. https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3
>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<< Part of this bigoted standard is the stale attempt to suggest Jews are not Jews, they are Khazars which is as false as any other anti semitic bilge about Jews as anything else passed out as discussion on Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/1.601287 Think anti semites care that what they repeat is bilge? Of course not. Out come the alleged encylcopedias from Jews to say Jews are khazars. I call that pathetic, and I say, its a classic attempt at insulting and attacking Jews using the pretext of Israel discussions to do it. Here I will once again address this crock of falsehoods: The Khazar hypothesis has been proven false b y genetics. This attempt to suggest Ashkenazi Jews are not ethnically Jews, but descended from the Turkic Khazar Empire is used by anti Israels who pretend Jews today in Israel were not born there or come from Arab countries, India, Ethiopia. Africa, Asia and South and North America but they are all Khazar impostors. The argument today is regurgitated on KKK, neo-Nazi and anti Israeli web sites and it seeks to argue that not only are all Israelis not Jews, but Jews are not Jews. Ironically these same anti semites who argue with one cheek that today's Jews don't have Jewish blood are also the same bigots who like Hitler would define then as Jews for hate purposes. Go on ask yourself. The people who think Jews are Khazars, would they embrace these so called Khazars if they suddenly all went-hey man we ain't Jews we were wrong. Sure. Only anti semites who hate Jews would try suggest what they hate isn't a Jew but is but isn't depending on what cheek their gas blows out of. The idiot attempts to quote Jews or Jewish encylopedias to try gain instant credibility for this sheer fabrication depends on cutting and slicing only certain words. In fact yhe term "Ashkenazi" is well defined and refers to Jews whose paternal ancestors immigrated to the following parts of central and eastern Europe: France, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, former Czechoslovakia, Belarus, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, and Ukraine. It excludes Jews from the Balkans, Greece, Italy, and the Iberian peninsula (Spain). Now while it is historic fact that some Khazars converted to Judaism around 740 C.E. mainstream historians, i.e., except for neo Nazi bafoons who think they can reinvent history and no one will notice, only royalty and some members of the aristocracy actuallyconverted. So while possible that some Ashkenazic Jews would have Khazar ancestry, the vast majority would not. Now what makes the idiotic claim they are Khazarian even more possibly stupid than idiotic is the following scientific fact used to repudiate this idiotic fabrication which as fast as its put up on this board to counter this crap, is ignored: ".... DNA studies over an extended period of time support the fact that Ashkenazic Jews originated in the Middle East (also called the Near East). Some of these studies include the following: Hammer, et al. conclude that the Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population (source: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2000). This suggests that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East; The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," according to Hammer et. al. (source: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2000); Two studies by Nebel et al. in 2001 and 2005, based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, suggest that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe -- defined in the using Eastern European, German, and French Rhine Valley populations (source: European Journal of Human Genetics); In 2004, Behar et al compared data from Ashkenazi groups in ten different European areas (France, Germany, the Netherlands; Austria-Hungary, Byelorussia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, and Ukraine ) with data from non-Jewish groups in seven different countries (France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Russia). They found that nine of the Jewish groups were similar, with low rates of admixture with non-Jewish groups, but that these Ashkenazi groups were closely related to non-Ashkenazi Jews and to some non-Jewish Near Eastern groups (Human Genetics, 2004); A 2006 study by Behar et al. based on high-resolution analysis of haplogroup K (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool originating in the Middle East in the 1st and 2nd centuries C.E. Behar et al. suggest that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA is originated from ~150 women, most of those likely of Middle Eastern origin. (source: American Journal of Human Genetics, 2006); Medical studies of the DNA of various diaspora Jewish populations -- from Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi -- have shown them to all be close Middle Eastern kin (source: American Journal of Human Genetics, 2010); and Ashkenazi Levites paternally descend from an Iranian people, not from Khazars or Slavs, according to genetic evidence revealed in a study by Siiri Rootsi et al. (Nature Communications, 2013). Since no other paternal or maternal haplogroup among Ashkenazim comes from a Central Asian Turkic source either, there is a total absence of evidence for Khazar ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews. Kevin Brook, who has been researching the possibility of Khazar ancestry for 20 years among Ashkenazim and wrote a book entitled "The Jews of Khazaria", concludes: "Surprisingly, there is evidence for small amounts of southern Chinese, Berber, and Slavic ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews, but not for Turkic Khazar ancestry." Here is the scientic proof of the basis of Ashlenazis proving the above idiocy that Kews are Khazars wrong: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n3/full/5201319a.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/ https://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_doron.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/ http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131217/ncomms3928/full/ncomms3928.html Now you want to know why Israel is singled out? Its simple-it is because it can be used as a vehicle to attack and insult Jews, in this case denying we exist or advancing bigoted notions that immigrants to a country are less worthy than native borns and that Palestinians whose majority are descended from non Palestinian can magically be considered Palestinian, but Jews...well hey every last one of them is a European immigrant. Better still read the verbal refuse in the words of Ria Raeb. In his bigoted analysis of a Jew, their fleeing the holocaust makes them a colonialist. Never mind they fled colonial powers. Never mind the Arab League of Nations that tried to wipe them out were in fact colonies that tried to wipe out the Jews-we just reinvent history to pretend Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Morrocco, Algeria, Libya. Iran, Bahrain, Yemen, Oman, the UAE, Kuwait, oh them created as colonies? Them colonies when they tried to wipe out Israel. Oh no see those Jews escaping the holocaust they were the colonialists. Never a thread, never a post about Israel without the need to try revise history to deny Jews are a people, and we exist as a people, have a nation for our people, and anti Jews choke on that concept. Go on you anti semites, please tell me how your discussions about Jews being Khazars is not anti semitic, its just criticism of Israel. Please tell me how you are only criticizing Israel not all Jews smeering us all in one foul fart. This Jewish writer says loud and clear, no more gas. Never again. Lie all you want about us-we know who we are, where we came from, and where we intend to take ourselves. You can't handle our being masters of our own fate-I have some choice words for you and they are not in Khazar.
I'm missing something here. What does any of this have to do with the endless hatred of Israelis for Palestinians and Palestinians for Israel,and all other Middle Eastern conflict? The only connection I can see is tangible proof many of today's Israelis are descendants of semitic tribes who were at war with other semitic tribes centuries ago and still can't see the pointlessness of continuing this ancient blood bath. A claim can be made that any group, Jewish, Islamic, Christian, absolutely convinced God is on their side is capable of the most appalling actions without a hint of conscience.
Instead of coming here to study history, I suggest, you get a base to stand on first... sooooo go open a book on history of the ME and ask questions.
