Mourning the wrong person

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  1. dw3421

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    Madonna and Prince were both known for pushing the sexual envelope as well as the style envelope. Nwa and Nirvana put grunge and rap into the mainstream. Just because they are not artists that you like does not discount what they did. Being a pioneer is not the only way to push the so called envelope and I'm sure that wasn't what the poster was talking about. Get out of your bubble and realize there is more out there than the stuff you like. I have no idea ,but by your narrow mindedness I would guess your a conservative?
     
  2. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and here I thought we were talking about music. BTW, David Bowie already did the whole androgynous thing, so Prince doing it again wasn't innovative.

    Sigh...yes they did. Music for the lowest common denominator.

    Yeah, well when I think of "pushing the envelope" I think of bringing music to new heights, not sinking it to new lows. That's why I say they pulled it.

    On the left/right scale, I am a moderate.
     
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    Your opinion is just bigoted and hateful.

    Goodbye.
     
  4. dw3421

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    During an interview Eric Clapton was asked what does it feel like being the best guitar player on the planet and Clapton replied "I don't know you'll have to ask Prince". He was one of the greatest musicians of our time. If you can't recognize that that's on you. And btw my mom grew up with Prince and he was that way before anyone knew who Bowie was, so he was surely not imitating.
     
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    Jimi Hendrix was asked the same question. He answered, "I don't know. Go ask Rory Gallagher".

     
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    Bowie was way before Prince.

    Bowie was huge in England and pretty big in America as early as 1971 or 1972.

    Prince was 14 in 1971.
     
  7. fifthofnovember

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    Prince is good on guitar, even outstanding by pop standards, but he's no Satriani.

    Hmm, strange, since Bowie got big in the early 70s, and Prince would have been about 14 then. Your story doesn't really add up.
     
  8. dw3421

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    1st of all you compared him to Bowie not me. 2nd she went to school with him at Bryant Jr high as well as 1 year of elementary so it would have been before he was 14 so hmm now your story isn't adding up is it?
     
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    The difference between my story and yours is that mine is verifiable.
     
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    It is verifiable that Prince was trying to be like Bowie?
     
  11. fifthofnovember

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    It is verifiable that Prince didn't break that ground in performance art, because Bowie had already done it. That was what I said, not that Prince "was trying to be like" Bowie. Even if Prince had somehow never heard of Bowie (unlikely), what I said is still true.
     
  12. FreedomSeeker

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    Ok, so let's just remove the memorial at Gettysburg since we shouldn't "mourn anyone we don't know".

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    So were mass murderers Moses and Mohammad. Being "devoutly religious" is often NOT a good thing.
     
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    I don't know about any of this. He was a very prolific song writer, but he didn't have that many good songs. He would drive the chicks crazy, all up until they saw he was only 5 feet tall in heels, was middlin' to good on the guitar, but he wouldn't have been able to survive on his guitar playing skills alone. A decent singer, but needed the teen idol gimmick of wearing makeup.

    All that, and the guy hasn't done anything in decades. Sorry, but his main claim to fame these days is being a surprise addition to the 2016 Death Pool.
     
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    My point wasn't that he never heard of bowie it was that he was a very unique individual before he knew who Bowie was. Anybody whoever knew prince and there are many in the Mpls area knew he was very different very early on. Even in his youth he was known as the weird loner guy that dressed different than anyone else.
     
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    I've lived longer than Prince, so obviously I'll just stick with my BigMac-a-day diet.

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    So arguably RELIGION killed Prince.

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    So Prince was a talented, delusional, drug-taking, bigot.

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    No wonder he was so weird.
     
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    Regular Christians are just as weird, as they believe in a talking snake, a talking donkey, and a magic invisible talking dead guy.
     
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    Maybe it's different for me growing up in Minneapolis where everyone either knew him or knew someone that did. He was more than just a 7 time grammy winner who sold 150 million albums worldwide. He was one of us and he never left us. There were thousands of people dancing in the streets of downtown mpls last night, 100's gathered outside of his compound where he lived and the entire city was lit up in purple. Here he was celebrated and loved by everyone here regardless of your age or race. So obviously I am biased.
     
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    Oh I don't doubt that. I'm sure he was a genuine weirdo, which is pretty much par for the course as far as pop stars go. I just don't get the virtual deification that has gone on the last couple of days. The fops on NPR were in tears, ffs. IMO, Prince was a decent "superstar", but people are acting like he was the love child of Leonardo Da Vinci and Mozart.
     
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    It's hard to argue that if he had THAT high level of admiration that he was not talented and loved by millions. I knew he was loved, but by the overwhelming support for him in the media since his death I have to admit that I didn't realize that he was as good/loved as he apparently was.
     
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    I believe that Mr. Ed talked because I witnessed it on TV, but I don't buy the snake or the dead guy.
     
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    Yes, Mr. Ed does seem to have, based on viewable evidence at least, more credibility than "Jesus" does.
    Sorry Jesus, you're less credible than Mr. Ed. Maybe you should have shown yourself, verifiably, in the last 2000 years, so that more people will believe your story and therefore fewer people will have to be savagely tortured alive in that "lake of fire" that you refuse to shut down....will that is if you care for humanity.
     
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    Not just pop stars. Most great musicians have an eccentric(crazy weirdo) side to them.
     
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    But of course the man living inside the fish for 3 days, now THAT sounds pretty feasible, we can both agree!
     
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    I was sorry to hear that Prince died at such a young age even though his music wasn't my cup of tea. That said, I am a bit taken aback with the amount of coverage. Personally, I think that Merle Haggard was a more prolific and talented presence in the music industry and he barely got any coverage in comparison. Anyway RIP to both of them.
     
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    Wait - hold up, are you trying to imply that Michael Jackson was a "crazy weirdo"?
     

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