Why do non-law abiding citizens not have problems with gun control?

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  1. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did, so once again What are these multiple approaches that must be deployed?
     
  2. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    So since our officials have no interest in aggressively prosecuting illegal possession of a gun, the solution by liberals is to pass another law that will go ignored. In what world does this make sense?

    Also, why are you arguing for Universal Background checks while acknowledging that they won't work without registration. Why are anti gun folks not pushing for registration first. You rarely hear the word registration from those pushing for background checks. I know the answer, I'm just wondering if you know.
     
  3. DoctorWho

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    Here is the rub, Felons have proved ala Simon Phoenix, that they are going to get a gun, no matter what, restricting Law Abiding people's access to guns will never stop criminals from access to guns, only death will stop criminals, when they are killed by a law abiding citizen.
     
  4. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    What are "multiple approaches that must be - deployed, ( employed ) ??????
     
  5. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    That number includes suicide which makes up over 60%.
     
  6. Maccabee

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    Yet criminals don't for the very reasons Vman12 listed.

    Why exactly is it nonsense?

    Criminals but from people they know. Not strangers.

    Its not a loophole.
     
  7. DoctorWho

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    Ok, I have been to Countries where Guns were very restricted, and guess what, Wealthy people can always have bodyguards and guns, while poor people usually cannot, unless they happen to be a Police Officer, a Military Soldier, etc....


    Read the Los Angeles application for concealed carry; http://shq.lasdnews.net/content/uoa/SHQ/ConcealedWeaponLicensePolicy.pdf

    It ends saying;

    "Remember, it is a Privilege, not a right to carry a concealed weapon. "
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    So many false assumptions so many false myths

    Why, if gun control is so necessary, are there not more gun murders in the Uk and Australia??
     
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    What countries are thEy?
     
  10. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    Simple, your average person in UK and Australia are not Murderers, and are sweet generous people, because if they were Murderers, assuming most potential victims are unarmed, they could easily Murder others by choking them, or other methods using superior strength....
     
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    What Countries ?

    I visited Cuba as a child, 1976, from the Dominican Republic, Japan, Central America, also various African Countries.......
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    Yes, some people advocate no restrictions on drug importations of any kind by anyone who wants to buy recreational drugs.

    I know that our restrictions have not stopped that, but I do not advocate that for all drugs.

    Do you?
     
  13. DoctorWho

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    Well, let us see what we have here, many Drugs are illegal, right ? yet, all that has done is create a black market for Drugs like Cocaine and Meth and other Drugs, also a great profit motive for Illegal importation, Drugs like Heroin are used to make Prostitutes of young girls, some not even teens, So, if the Government were to decriminalize those Drugs for use by Adults, and severely Punish the People distributing those Drugs to Minors, The Drugs being produced by Pharmaceutical companies, high quality, inexpensive, not street garbage.

    Registered Drug addicts would be free to abuse virtually any Drug, however, all DUI and other related public intoxication laws would still apply, Drugs are a self correcting problem, let those that wish, Darwin themselves into an early grave.
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    Yes, it will be necessary to require our justice system to stop ignoring our laws.

    Yes, registration would be required for that suggestion. I was quite sure you would know that.
     
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    As with all law enforcement, ending crime isn't a legitimate expectation.

    But, no, we can very definitely reduce crime without the wholesale killing of those who break the law.
     
  16. Bowerbird

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    People are people

    Why is it that America has a murder rate 10 times higher than the UK or Australia?

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    All save Japan are third world countries where there is a vast gulf between the haves and the have nots

    Japan - was there widespread use of bodyguards there?
     
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    The problem is, a Felon cannot legally possess or acquire firearms of any type, that also includes concealed carry of firearms or open carry of firearms, selling firearms, repairing firearms, anything a Felon does with firearms is a FELONY, a Crime !
    However, those crimes are often reduced to Misdemeanors and prosecuted as such, no prison time, perhaps a small fine, so a convicted Felon is not discouraged by the penalties of getting caught with an illegal firearm.

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    For those of higher social standing, yes.
     
  18. QLB

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    And you know this just how? The last golden age of piracy was ended by the British navy without mercy. Texas had what essentially mattered to three border wars with Mexican bandits. All ended without mercy to the perps. It was the same with the Mahdists in the Sudan.
     
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    We do not.
    Why do you not know this?
     
  20. DoctorWho

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    Question:

    Why is it that America has a murder rate 10 times higher than the UK or Australia?


    Simple answer: If that multiplier is correct, America has ten times as many Murdering Criminals than U.K. and Australia, hence the need for firearms for The People's general defense.
     
  21. perdidochas

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    I wouldn't. Why should I help a buyer who's buying a gun from a competitor, unless the buyer is a regular customer and has a business relationship with me?
     
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    In what alternative universe is 3.9 per 100,000 people 10 times 1 per 100,000 people? The U.S.'s murder rate (per the UNODC) is 3.9 per 100k people. Australia's is 1.0 per 100k people. My math says that's less than 4 times higher. Please don't post things you don't know the real figure for. From being one of the more reasonable gun control folks, you're quickly slipping almost to troll level. Go back to being about facts, please.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
     
  23. DoctorWho

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    I found in my humble experience in life, if you help someone, a customer, they often stick by you,
    ( the you being a business concern ) and will reciprocate, lots of folks do not fathom simple concepts in business.

    A new business opened in Portland Oregon, the owner distributed coupons for free meals to all the local businesses, I had my free meal and became a regular customer.

    You do not see businesses do this often.
     
  24. OrlandoChuck

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    However registration is rarely mentioned by anti gun legislators. They only speak of UBC's.
    If registration is required to make UBC's enforceable, why arent they pushing for registration first?
     
  25. DoctorWho

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    Very true !
     

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