Can anyone here claim Russian hacking influenced their vote

Agreed.

On Meet the Press this Sunday, the show started off by showing the following quote:

But it was Kim Strassel of the Wall Street Journal who put a proper perspective on things:

Russia may very well have favored Trump over Clinton; actually, I have very little doubt that that was the case. But to jump from this to conclude that the Russians were able to manipulate the vote? That Hillary lost because of something the Russians did? I think we may need to make a visit to our friend over in Ockham...

 

They are a useless debating society whose main purpose is to provide luxury NYC housing to the enablers and flunkies of third world dictators.

 

That's my take as well.What in sam hill has the UN ever done but use
our dollars when a disaster occurs.They are in league with the Globalists
like George Soros.They don't fix squat around the world.
Don't forget they allowed Saddam Hussein's - Oil for Food - program
to be exploited.The UN also ,is key to undermining Internet rules.
They want to be In Charge of our Internet.They want to be in charge of
Climate Change.However when a country needs help,where are these paper tiger
diplomats.Probably driving around in their expensive Limo's looking for the Best
restaurant or Hotel in town.

 

The Huffington Post is wasting no time in pleading that we may need another
Election if Russia influenced the one where Trump won.And dispense with the
Electoral college.Or that the Electoral College and our Founders determined that
an Elector is not bound by his vote.He can change it.However most states have
laws governing that.There's no need to hold elections if Electors can just change
their vote willy nilly ,weeks after an election.

 

If you are upset at the call by both Democratic and Republican congressmen to investigate the CIA's intelligence report concerning Russia's interference in the US election process, then you are opposed to it for whatever excuses you may contrive.

Others, Democrats and Republicans alike, feel that it is in the nation's interest to uncover and confront the truth, whatever that might be.

 

What Reports ? Published Where ? and by Who ?

 

Trump won his extremely narrow victory because of all the negative attacks aimed at Clinton starting with the politically motivated Benghazi witch hunt along with the specifically targeted use of stolen emails released strategically to discredit her and those in her circle. The embarrassing material that was hacked and released about the DNC in July along with the stolen personal emails of John Podesta were major factors down the stretch for Trump and his campaign. It seemed as if every other sentence in Trump's final campaign swings contained the word Wikileaks. In this, by far the filthiest campaign in US history on both sides, Trump and his freinds from the Russian mafia won out by a hair over the sleazy dirtbags from The Clinton camp.

 

I get it Pappy.You mean like the Truth concerning
Obama's Iran deal.Or the truth about The Iran hostage ransom.
The truth about The Video { used by both Obama & Hillary } concerning
the Benghazi attack.
Or even the truth about Bowe Bergdahl an obvious deserter.
Just to cite a few examples of this Administrations Truth telling capabilities.

 

No, nobody is claiming that any hackers manipulated the vote count.

The claim is that Russia created "fake" news to influence peoples decision as to who to vote for.

Of course the biggest proven creator of fake news is the Democrat party and their mainstream media propaganda arm.

 

The thingy is and that Democrats cannot escape is that verifiable E-mails
don't lie.Which is why Judge Judy relies on E-mails in her courtroom as the
ultimate truth.Which also proved to be Hillary's Clinton's and Debbie Wasserman
Schultz's and John Podesta's downfall.Those Democrats Live to get Too cute by half.
And they got caught ... red-handed.That had nothing whatever to do with Donald
Trump.You do realize that.Granted it is a fine example of :
Irony

 

This in fact may indicate the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberal sheep can be led, conservatives think and decide for themselves.

 

Most of them are probably part of the "I got mine, (*)(*)(*)(*) everyone else generation."

They won't be happy until they are able to leave a burning corpse to the other generations.

 

Do you, or would you, condemn HRC for taking money from foreign entities for her political campaign, as this has been asserted to have a great effect on the voting population asserted by the left? I know both the left and right don't like Trump cause he is supposedly not establishment and wasn't the rights pick for the nominee. It further goes to show that there is no "left vs right", it is them vs us. Authority vs liberty.

 

If Russia hacked DNC email and Hillary state Dept email I do indeed want to know how!

 

But you thought a shady, greedy, abjectly racist bully would be better?

(That doesn't make any sense to me.)

 

"Influence"? No.

"Stole"? Yes.

I voted for Hillary to stop Trump. But my vote never made it to the voter roles in my state. So I traced it and it took me to the Kremlin! I turned over all the evidence to the CIA for their files and research.

 

Extremely narrow victory?

Trump: 306

Clinton: 232

 

I already explained to you that your desperate attempts at diverting this topic are not viable.

If that is your interest, and you are unable to confront this one, there is nothing to prevent you initiating a thread concerning it or whatever other issue captures your fancy..

 

Right. My opinion is that Hillary, for a loooooooong list of reasons, lost the election at her own hand. We have discussed all those reasons extensively on this board over the past year. We all know them.

Perhaps the one thing that might have tipped the election in favor of Trump was the DNC's own actions. Specifically, giving all the super-delegates to Clinton during the primaries. It was plain to see to Bernie supporters that the fix was in before any emails were hacked. The hackers didn't need to expose "the fix"; it was plainly out there already. Some of those Bernie supporters may have voted third party (I doubt many voted for Trump) or just stayed home because they didn't believe their candidate was given a fair shake. And a lot of them may have believed, just like Trump supporters, that Clinton was just toxic on every level. Strangely enough, there were some similarities between the Bernie supporters and the Trump supporters, even though they fell on different sides of the political spectrum. Both sides had lost faith in "permanent Washington". Both sides wanted real change. Both sides want the U.S. to stay out of unnecessary wars. Both sides were against corporate outsourcing of jobs. Both sides were tired of being constantly lied to and used. Both sides wanted a president who would explain and follow his beliefs and stick by them. Lots of similarities there. So there were tons of reasons why those Bernie supporters would not vote for Clinton, and that - not hacked emails - may have made a difference.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Seems The Obama likes to use American tax dollars to "influence" elections. Guess it's totally cool for Russia to do the same. Did you know you help a failed Gazi (global socialist) in Israel presidential campaign instead of helping Americans here in America?

 

Riiight. Do you want a list of companies that have reported to have been hacked? Well, google it because that list would be way too long to post here and includes several supposedly "secure" government entities.

I'll start you off: Percentage of companies that report systems hacked

[quote ]More than 80 percent of U.S. companies have been successfully hacked, according to a Duke University/CFO Magazine Global Business Outlook Survey released on Friday.

The survey was released on the heels of news of a breach of millions of records maintained by the federal Office of Personnel Management.

Successful attacks by hackers involved stealing, changing or making public important data, according to the survey. Smaller companies (those with fewer than 1,000 employees) were more vulnerable, with 85 percent saying their information systems had been broken into. About 60 percent of larger companies reported successful hack[/quote]

Remember these are ones that have reported being hacked which doesn't include the ones who don't want to admit to being hacked and those companies that don't even know they've been hacked.

In the hacker community, saying something is secure is inviting attacks. It's like dangling a piece of candy in front of a child's eyes.

 

Well Bless yer widdle doggie heart.Give dat Pup a doggie treat.
Um ... the thingy is ... how does one { let alone a human } go about "tracing"
their vote.?
Explain the Process.And don't say it starts at - Feeder Supply - { popular pet store }.

 

Pretty lame attempt to establish an equivalency.

You see, we are AMERICAN. We aren't RUSSIAN (well some of us at least, others seem more than happy to embrace the Russian hacking with gusto) and we aren't ISRAELI.

Do you understand what "AMERICAN" means? It doesn't mean welcoming attacks on America. The fact that some people are just dismissing this attack on the AMERICAN election and trying to justify it is pathetic and more than a bit telling. And the really disturbing part is that they same people love to pretend that they are "uber" patriots when they are nothing more than treasonist scum who should probably move to Russia if they love Putin so much.

 

Remember these are ones that have reported being hacked which doesn't include the ones who don't want to admit to being hacked and those companies that don't even know they've been hacked.

In the hacker community, saying something is secure is inviting attacks. It's like dangling a piece of candy in front of a child's eyes.[/QUOTE]

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Not By Governments but Hackers.There IS a difference.Whihc is why - Lifeline -
is so popular.It isn't used to find out about Governments but hackers.
Hackers who want to steal your identity in order to fleece yer accounts.
I think you are conflating the two.
Of course Hillary was all mixed up also.First it was a Video that started
the Benghazi attack.Then she wondered how to clean a server of E-Mails.
" Like with a cloth ? ".

 

Its not diverting, if its wrong for one, then should it be wrong for the other?

Not to mention, anything that was hacked, came from an unsecure private server of HRC. If you are so against Russians releasing the information that they got from HRC server, why are you mad at one but not the other. That's like leaving a fully cooked steak out on ground level, then being pissed at the dog who came and ate it up.