Obamacare: Democrats own it, it's on you! Fix it!!

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  1. DTLR_com

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    You want corporate tax cuts? Let me guess, you believe in trickle down economics. Let me tell you why trickle down economics, although a very noble idea, is one that isn't practical. Hypothetically, trickle down should work because companies have more money, which they then can spend on expanding their companies, picking up new workers, and paying the good ones more. However, companies are ran in a market of capitalism where the main goal is to make more money. If a company is sufficiently large, like Google, and already have a booming infrastructure, where are they going to expand with your tax cuts? It doesn't benefit the company to spend that extra money hiring new people, because they are going to cost more than they are worth. What does the company then do? They pocket the free money-pay their CEO more. Companies don't give extra money to their employees. Walmart is a prime example of this. Why do you think companies exist in the first place? Tax evasion.

    So the democrats come up with the idea that the government should redistribute the wealth because companies are inherently greedy. I agree with you that this is a dangerous solution. A better solution would be to have tax breaks for corporations under the rule that they must spend that extra money either in expanding in the U.S.A or raise the benefits and pay of their current staff. I also am a fan of limiting the pay gap between the lowest payed employee of a company and the highest.

    We will never see this in American government, however, because the mighty cooperations lobby to keep statesmen elected who will make sure the rules don't change. Statesmen, that tell you trickle-down is the greatest idea ever, blinding you from seeing the evil inside of it. I suggest we all open are eyes and find a real solution.
     
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    LOL, dems knew it was failing and refused to do anything.
     
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    So, you don't know of any plan. So, it will fail, and the R's in charge, will do nothing. Again.
    When were the D's suppose to do something? R's have been repealing for 6 yrs.
    January 2017, they have the power, they failed.
    You failed. And refuse to do anything.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry but I would think you would like RINOs since they support doing nothing like democrats.
     
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    I asked you directly your plan. You failed to give an answer. I put you into the know nothing category.
    Trump is a RINO. The entire R party is a RINO. So where do you go?
    Since you can't give a plan, what category are you?
     
  6. truth and justice

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    So you must be really angry that Trump has done nothing about it other than run away and play golf?
     
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    What a silly question! The answer is obviously the government in power who have full control. Now, please remind me,what was Trump's pre-election promise about Obamacare?
     
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    The number of the DNC should be posted for everyone that gets screwed by Obamacare can call. Also the number of Schumer and Pelosi.
     
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    Not a rational post
     
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    WoW... Do we Republicans also responsible for the upcoming solar eclipse? :roflol:
     
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    Then give us a fuk**g reasonable time to deal with it, and do not cry the end of World two months into the presidency?
     
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    I hope the Democrats fix their failed ACA before it implodes and all those Democrat voters lose their government mandated insurance.
     
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    republicans trying to divert the issue back to the dems. sleazy.
     
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    You must have loved 40 years of cost shifting.
     
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    8 years of democrats and look what we have now. A giant mess and you voted out of power. It will take awhile to fix.
     
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    Well six of those years were actually Republicans so again you're trying to divert attention from the impotent Republicans
     
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    Quit moving the goalposts. This is on the Democrats. You rigged the elections, you colluded wit MSM, Bill Clinton lied to a jury and got disbarred, you passed legislation that screwed the Middle Class and hard working people, lied to the public and made a mess out of the government. The one constant is the Democrats are always screwing things up.
     
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    It's not going to get fixed at all, until the folks in congress (and across this country) take off their party hats, and roll up their sleeves together as Americans.



     
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    You have the gall to say that after the Republicans and their Healthcare incompetence
     
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    You are absolutely correct but the problem is after 8 years of birther crap from the Republicans the Democrats are in no mood to compromise on anything they will stick it to the Republicans every chance they get
     
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    That's odd. Your response has no relation to your question of "Suppose Republicans take a hands off Obamacare approach and let it just implode- it will in a few years under its own weight, both providers and insurers are leaving it. Who's fault it's gonna be, Republicans or Democrats?" and my answer of "The answer is obviously the government in power who have full control."

    His promise was that it was easy to repeal and replace. He had a "Plan" ready to go :). His 100 days is ticking rapidly by
     
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    Birther? No compromise? Obstruction?

    Drain the swamp and get people who move us forward. The problem is the direction. Do you want Socialism or do you want more of a pure (more of, not 100%) capitalist society?
     
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    It appears some Trumpsters are very delusional, just as their hero is, the pathological liar. Let's be real clear here, anyone who actually believes Democrats "now own this" needs to get back on their meds, quickly. For years, the Republicans have been promising repeal and replace, just give them the White House and they'd get it done on their own. For almost two years the liar-in-chief has been running around the country telling one and all that - “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” — to The Washington Post, Jan. 15. And this gem - "People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better… lower numbers, much lower deductibles.” More Trump promises in the link below.

    You get the drift, Trumpcare didn't even come close to what Trump promised voters and it didn't even come to a vote, in a monumental failure for both the party and the administration - a historic failure actually. The Republicans have had the House since January 2011 & the Senate since January 2015 - during this time, both the Obama administration and Democrats in the House & Senate have proposed changes to the ACA to repair and enhance it. They were told by Republicans to go pound salt - the Republicans were only interested in repeal & replace and not interested in repairing and enhancing the ACA.

    No my Trumpster friends, Trump & the Republicans now own healthcare and the American people are not stupid, they know this loud & clear. If Trump & the Republicans, who control everything, reach out to Democrats to help repair & enhance the ACA - the Dems will most likel help. If Republicans keep talking repeal, they are on their own and the electorate will tell them they cannot put the ACA genie back in the bottle. Too many people benefitted from the ACA to go back now. The Republicans are the owners of healthcare and they will the ones to pay the price if they do nothing.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021
     
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    What we have now and what I don't want is an incompetent Congress
     
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    They tried for 7 years but the GOP majority said no will will repeal and replace.
    7 + years later the GOP still have not managed to put forward a creditable plan,and withdrew it before presenting to Congress.
    What makes you think that if it implodes it will only affect democrats.
     

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