Russia Suspends Memorandum With US on Flight Safety in Syria - Foreign Ministry

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  1. Pollycy

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    Spot-on correct, and it also created an absorbing schauspiel for Vladsky Putin, too.

    I don't approve of the airstrike, however. For one thing, in sheer cost it amounted to an expenditure of just under $100 Million USD. Pretty extravagant just for Trump to make some kind of "statement", I think. While I don't 'approve' of chemical warfare of any kind (even Hitler refused to use it), I think that the whole situation, whose timing alone is highly suspicious, needs to be investigated thoroughly, as you suggest.

    I'm convinced of one thing -- the fact that Xi Jinping just happened to be here in the first day of his visit is QUITE the, uh, 'coincidence'.... :roll:

    Well... and I guess I'm also convinced of one other thing, too -- the impact of this action on North Korea, China, and Russia will not be lost on any of them....
     
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    mmph... Trump and Kim Jong Un... a bad hair day

    I'm going to be absolutely livid is Trump drops his bombs in our region (I'm in Australia) and I think I won't be the only one. Kim Jong Un taunts the US deliberately and the US responds to his every taunt. There are still many avenues to exhaust before launching anything at Pyongyang and any military action will place Trump in direct conflict with China, the consequences of which I do not even want to consider.
     
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    I think the little Putin got his world rocked...just a bit...yesterday. it'll be interesting where he goes from here!
    Perhaps vladdy figured he had Trump around his finger and told Assad, go ahead, use that sarin gas, turned out he got punked by Trump and got his bell rung!:happycry:
     
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    :roflol:, you a funny troll Jeannette, they like us don't LIE, LOL, that's a good one, they must love you to death being the useful idiot. What other fairy tales you got?
     
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    Yes he sent a warship to the Mediterranean, I don't think he's going to take any further involvement from America well, but not sure what he can really do about it. In all truth this is more America's war than it is Russia's, seeing it all started in Iraq.
     
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    True, it did, but yes Putin may feel a little squeezed now.
     
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    Russia has Syrian air space covered with its missile defense systems. Any jet flying in Syrian airspace does it at their own risk. If the US wants to further the war, they would have to put boots on the ground, or continue giving their support to ISIS and Al Nusra the way they have been doing. They cannot fly in, Russia will not give them permission.
     
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    Any normal person against using chemical weapons against children. Your mistake in this case is that you accuse Syria of its application, although it is clearly not guilty of it.
     
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    The question I have is where is Rex Tillerson?
    I noticed you didn't quote my entire post, which said that while I agree with the attack I supported an investigation which was clearly missing from the quick response by Trump. I also mentioned in another post that I think the speed of his response also had a bit to do with Xi Jingping's visit in sending a message regarding North Korea.
     
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    So what's Russia going to do Jean...shoot down us jets? Unlikely, they probably couldn't shoot down these cruise missiles that destroyed the airfields.
     
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    Russian and Syrian forces are now on full combat readiness. According to the Russian General, American can't aim. Half the missiles went who knows where, and as for the rest they didn't hit their targets. None of the jets were damaged. ..nor the hangars. Instead according to Syrian accounts, homes were damaged in nearby villages, and civilians were killed ...four of them children.

    I wonder if Trump will be upset about them? :confuse:
     
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    Lol, like russian missiles are any accurate, fired by drunk russian pilots.
     
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    If the Russians or Syrians feel threatened, of course they will. Russia was ready to shoot down six Israeli jets a few years back. Netanyahu and his Generals panicked and paid Putin a visit the next day. Putin gave them special permission to fly in a certain part of Syria that Israel felt was vital to its security.
     
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    No they won't, Syria doesn't have much of an air force left, and the Muscovites do all the dirty work.
     
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    Russia sees any attack on Assad as an attack on its own security. As a Russian General said at the beginning of the war, Syria to us is a matter of survival. The reason the US has been demonizing Assad and supporting the terrorists in Syria, is because he refused to allow a gas pipeline from Qatar to cut into Russia's profits.

    Other than that, Russia is also dependent on the barrier of the Shia crescent. It runs from Iran to Syria, and keeps the Russian Sunni states separated from the jihadists from the Gulf states. It's the fanatic jihadists that reeked havoc in Chechnya... and Russia fought two wars because of them and their CIA advisers.

    As to why the US is in Syria? Only to hurt Russia. Its wealth makes it very powerful, and that threatens American hegemony, so they want to break up the Russian Federation and take it.
     
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    I have to wonder what Trump accomplished. He didn't hurt Bashar or Maher al Assad.
     
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    Syria is basically Russia's last stand in the ME, once Assad is gone all bets are off as to what status any and all russian personnel are in Syria and it's base in Tartus is in question, after that Russia doesn't have any cards to play in the ,ME.
     
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    Ahahaha ... :roflol::roflol::roflol:in Russia no aircraft carriers . No one. Russia is the most peaceful and free country in the world. ... But Russia has many more missiles capable of destroy not only 12 carrier groups, but all aircraft carrier groups in the world. And after that, many more such missiles will remain in Russia.
    Carriers can only frighten the Papuans. And then not all.

    Was that your only argument? :nana:
     
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    Russian general could say whatever Putin told him to say. For them Russians soldiers is just an expense material. All these oil tubes and economic profits do not cost a single life of a Russian soldier. Everyone knows what was the result of intervention of USSR into Afghanistan. 15000 Russians were killed there. What for? Then USSR withdraw the troops, but the war still continues there. The same result is expected with Syria. Russia should not get involved in the civil war in Syria. It does not matter that Assad asked us to intervene. Russia better spend money for enforcing the borders against terrorists. Russia had much more reasons to help Yugoslavia, when it was attacked by NATO, but it did not, and Syria is much further away from Russia in terms of culture, language, etc. Putin better try to resolve the issues with Donbass, which is close to us, then with Syria.
     
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    no he didn't, can you imagine how livid Putin would have been if he did.

    I think the parcel delivered contained the message "no more chemical weapons or America will intervene". Assad can now ignore this message or take it seriously.
     
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    What do you have in mind? The number of tanks, missiles, submarines ... and so on? Or financing of military expenses?

    If the amount of weapons, then we can look at the example of the Vietnam War. Or do you think Vietnam had a greater military potential?

    The Russian army is now the second most powerful in the world, immediately after the United States. You can make sure of this, for example, by reading the GlobalFirePower rating, which our countries have already had for many years in this order. http://www.globalfirepower.com/
    But the rating takes into account only conventional weapons, without nuclear weapons. If we take into account also the nuclear forces - and in the global war the first fiddle will be played by nuclear weapons - there are not really serious players here except Russian and Americans.

    If you are talking about the military budget, this is also not an indicator of superiority. For example, see what part of the military budget goes into maintaining (if I'm not mistaken) about 1,000 US military bases.
    Also you can look at what part of the budget goes to the crazy projects (or say directly - plundered) - for example F 35, running robots and other insane ideas .... And so on.
    In addition, obsolete military equipment requires a lot of money to maintain combat capability.

    And despite all the efforts and funding:

    The Marine Corps is pulling parts off of museum planes to keep their F-18s flying. Even with that drastic action, only about 30 percent of their F-18s are ready to fly. Not only that, but instead of getting 25 or 30 hours a month in the cockpit, Marine Corps pilots are getting as little as four hours per month of flying time. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/17/budget-cuts-leaving-marine-corps-aircraft-grounded.html

    Only one-third of Army brigades are ready for combat. http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/us-military-power/us-army/

    The Air Force is cannibalizing parts from some F-16’s to keep other F-16’s flying http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lanes-to-cuts-scrounging-for-spare-parts.html and is pulling parts off museum planes to keep their B-1 bombers flying. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lanes-to-cuts-scrounging-for-spare-parts.html And half of Air Force squadrons are not prepared for serious combat. http://www.defense.gov/News-Article...s-make-budget-request-case-before-house-panel

    While the Navy needs about 350 ships http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/us-military-power/us-navy/, today it only has 273. http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=146

    Serious crashes of Marine Corps planes and helicopters are nearly double the 10-year average. http://www.stripes.com/news/marine-...increase-in-fatal-aircraft-incidents-1.399546

    The Air Force’s B-52 bombers are an average of 53 years old. http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/resources/appendix/

    Examples can be continued indefinitely... And this I'm not talking about the deplorable state of the American missile forces.
    In addition, you probably know how the military can decorate reality. Therefore, I think that the real fighting efficiency of the US Army is much lower than what the Western media write about it.

    So I'm sure that Putin is 100% right. Russia will be able to defeat any army in the world.
     
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    Yes. I believe that betrayal was to the rules of the game set mutually. US blackmailed Trump, a man who was saying a week earlier that he was the POTUS, not the POTW. Now we're seeing him giving speeches about how America shouldn't be indifferent to Syria. No good.

    But remember when I was telling you guys that the US would definitely bite back to make that come back. Also remember that I was always pointing out the fact that Trump was a Russian agent. He still is one but what's just happened is that the American deep state figured a way out to "close in" on Trump. However, even Trump was forced to make that U-turn, Russia still have the highest hand and the US still needs much more than a staged chem attack to even out with them.

    Turkiye is the key player here. If Russia realizes the importance of having Turks sided with Eurasia, it will be able to keep that hand at its highest for a long while because Russians know how our political structure has been shifting with that strong wave coming from deep within. Erdogan's latest statement about the chem attack and what he said in that statement about Putin should be ringing a bell in Kremlin:
    "We'd be sorry if mr Putin doesn't understand who's behind this attack even after 3 days. We need to overcome these immediately. We need to make a ""decision"". Who's the foe, who's the friend, who's the virus in the region, please let us learn that and take steps accordingly."

    Erdogan actually meant; "look, we're still NATO member, and there's not much time left before the US makes another move and forces us to take action with them. So please decide whose side you want us to be on."
     
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    Trump didn't ' accomplish ' anything at all, Margot. Trump capitulated. He sits in the chair- but he's not in charge.
    His role now is to lie his supporters to sleep.
     
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    How about several?

    The problem is that any country who are dependent on the US economy will align with America, and make no mistake the US has a powerful economy. I can guarantee you this because in Australia we are deeply concerned about a war between America and China, we are dependent on both, catch 22.
     
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    Why would Russia leave Tartus. Its a tiny naval base.. 4 small berths and a staff of about 25.
     

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