Hamas accepts Palestinian state with 1967 borders

I'm. The term "Lesbians" is a social convention that came from the time that Sappho, one of the greatest Greek poet from ancient times, that lived with a women in Lesbos. The term "lesbian" deriven from the Greek isle "Lesbos" and because of Sappho.

 

Ridiculous argument. But here let's use your poor analogy. Yes a person would agree if instead of confining you to a closet your options by the invader were immediate banishment out of that house.. or fight for it. To the death...

Heh.

So pretty much your still saying the same crap as before. Palestinians are a bunch of self entitled crybabies ..... and after 100s of societies throughout history have failed to hold their land and immigrated if lucky enough to not be outright killed.. Why ANYone should care about Palestinians sense of entitlement?

 

Discuss this-

 

Oslo Accords are null and void since 2000. According to the Oslo Accords, this accords will be in force 5 years, until a permenent solution will be agreed upon. Those 5 years has long gone (it ended in 2000).

 

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”

The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage

“But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”

 

The Cnaanites were long gone around 580 BC when they were mixed with other people.

 

The term "Palestinians" is a social convention.

 

The term "Palestinians" regards to whole of the people that lived in the Land of Isael until 1948.

 

The PLO's application to the UN to recognize Statehood stated that the State of Palestine's borders are all areas of Historic Palestine outside of Israel's 1967 borders.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39722#.WQtPf0XysYx

 

yup, and its now 2017.

so the Israelis are no longer considered "Palestinians".

 

According to Article 2 of the PLO Charter, "Palestine" is " with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit", and yet Article 20 of the same Charter is contradicting this statement of Article 2 by saying that the the Mandate for "Palestine" and everything that has been based upon them are null and void.

So once again. what is "Palestine"?

 

I'm happy to see that you agree with me that there is no such thing as "Palestineins" not more.

 

if you ask this question one more time I will report it as spam.

 

Palestinians are citizens of Palestine and former residents of Mandate Palestine.

 

You can do whatever you like, and still yet to be given an answer to that question.

 

Ok, so what is "Palestine" according to the Arab leadership?

 

the PLO's application for statehood to the UN stated that the State of Palestine is all of historic Palestine outside of Israel's 1967 borders.

ask me this question again and i will report it as spam

 

I know what the PLO presented to the UN, and yet Article 20 of their charter contradicts the term "Palestine" that has been stated in Artilce 2 of their charter.

 

Israel's application to the UN for statehood only included those lands they controlled in 1949.

that means any territory beyond this is NOT part of the State of Israel.

according to your logic

 

And their descendents are Palestinians who became Arabized

But the question is not who owned the land in ancient history. That is irrelevant and doesn't give anyone any inherent right. A person who was born in and lives in Modern day America has no right to land in Europe or elsewhere simply because that's where his ancestors came from or once owned.

We are talking about current history under current international laws. History which continues to be shaped today.

So we can't even use the fact that Jews were expelled thousands of years ago to justify them expelling Palestinians today.

Diffrent moral norms and laws apply

Especially since the people who live in Palestine are essentially the same people from even before the expulsion. They changed rule. Changed religions. But they are still essentially the same people who has been living there.

Finally. Jews themselves believe that they were expelled by god himself and that they are forbidden to return until god comes and establishes his kingdom on earth. Naming it after Jacob.

 

Israel presented an application to the UN in 1949 regarding the territories that was under their control in 1949, but according to international law also the WB needs to be under the control of the Jews.

 

The "Palestinians" are whole of the population that lived in the Land of Israel untril 1948. Jews, Arabs, Christians etc, were "Palestinains". Are you suggesting that the Jews are the descendents of the Cna'anites?

I never used the ancient history to legitimize anything regarding the Land of Israel. I'm using international law that was formed in 1946 as part of the UN Charter as the legitimation.

 

At least you're not hiding your radical colonial beliefs unlike most zionists...

So because atrocities like colonization existed hundreds or thousands of years ago when diffrent laws and moral norms applied makes it right to commit such atrocities today?

Along with colonization, perhaps we should start practicing other currently illegal and barbaric practices that existed long ago and call victims of those barbaric practices crybabies. Maybe slavery? And then you can say

"They are self entitled crybabies....After 100s of societies throughout history have failed to hold their freedom and immigrated if lucky enough to not be outright killed"

 

this is a lie

there was never an international law that stated the WB must be controlled by the Jews

 

wrong again, as many of the terms and agreements of the Oslo Accords are still in effect and recognized/respected by Israel.