U.S. says Syrians built crematorium at prison to dispose of bodiesThe US

The US and other sources say Assad is killing 50 a week. Its hard for me to imagine a shy eye doctor ordering such atrocities. But then again his father Hafez Assad was ruthless and brutal slaughtering any dissidents.


U.S. says Syrians built crematorium at prison to dispose of bodies


The United States has evidence Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government has built a crematorium at a large military prison outside the capital Damascus, a State Department official said on Monday.

Stuart Jones, acting assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern Affairs, said U.S. officials believe the crematorium could be used to dispose of bodies at a prison where they believe Assad's government authorized the mass hangings of thousands of inmates during Syria's six-year-old civil war.

"Credible sources have believed that many of the bodies have been disposed in mass graves," Jones told reporters. During the briefing, he showed aerial images of what he said was a crematorium.

Amnesty International reported in February that an average of 20 to 50 people were hanged each week at the Sednaya military prison north of Damascus. Between 5,000 and 13,000 people were executed at Sednaya in the four years since a popular uprising descended into war, it said.

Jones also said he was not optimistic about a Russia-brokered deal to set up "de-escalation zones" inside Syria. The deal was reached with support from Iran and Turkey during ceasefire talks in the Kazakh capital of Astana earlier this month. Jones attended the talks.

"In light of the failures of the past ceasefire agreements, we have reason to be skeptical," Jones said.

Jones said Assad's government had carried out air strikes, chemical attacks, extrajudicial killings, starvation, and other measures to target civilians and its opponents. He criticized Russia and Iran for maintaining their support for Assad despite those tactics.

"These atrocities have been carried out seemingly with the unconditional support from Russia and Iran," Jones said. "The (Assad) regime must stop all attacks on civilian and opposition forces. And Russia must bear responsibility to ensure regime compliance."

He did not say what measures the United States might take if Russia does not change its stance.

Tensions between the United States and Russia heightened after President Donald Trump ordered a cruise missile strike in April against a Syrian air base that the United States said had been used to launch a poison gas attack on civilians.

Jones said he had not yet presented the evidence to Russian officials. He said he hoped Russia would help pressure the Assad government.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN18B20E

 

This thread could be combined with Litwin's thread.

 

Shouldn't, this thread came earlier AND is clean.

If these claims are true, this is horrible. I keep a grain of doubt on that one, but so far at least the media agency you linked proved to be somewhat decent. Reliableish.. ..even.

 

Christian Syrians are saying that many Christians are in Assad's prisons and many have died. That would seem to make this credible.. Also nearly 75,000 photos of these atrocities have been smuggled out of Syria.

 

Something potentially huge was mentioned by Spicer in his press conference. This is actually very surprising and would show that the Russians have made some progress to convince Trump not to simply read off the pro Israel/Wahhabi lines against Iran. If Trump really shows a willingness to work with Iran, it would cause me to rethink some of my assumptions about this very unpredictable character.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/trump-demand-russia-iran-halt-assad-sednaya.html
Trump demands Russia, Iran halt Assad atrocities ahead of any deal

 

You have a screw loose. You want to blame everything on the Saudis, the Israelis or the US.. Don't you know any Syrian history? Why are you giving Bashar Assad a pass on these atrocities?

 

I have heard your views on Syria and its civil war and shared mine with you. Lets just say we agree to disagree.

But the real import of my message was something else. This is the first time I have heard a Trump official mention "working with Iran" to bring peace to Syria. This is huge. Indeed, it is the kind of thing that, if it was pursued, would make me reevaluate some of my assumptions about Trump. But I have to wait and see what Trump actually says, in particular as he visits Wahhabi Arabia and Israel shortly.

 

What is it that you think Saudi Arabia or Israel WANTS in Syria?

 

Ehm ... this issue was still reported in media about 1.5 months ago ... so what is here new about suddenly?

 

They have said it publicly, repeatedly, and in practically every language. If you don't know and need to ask me, it shows you just don't follow the news and their statements on the issue.

 

What have they said they want?

 

They want Iran out of Syria.

 

Oh no.. The Saudis want Assad to stop killing and creating a refugee population. Evidently Iran and Russia support Assad without regard for human life..

 

No. That is not the position of either Wahhabi Arabia or Israel. They have said it many times: no deal in Syria if Iran is allowed to stay.

 

Well, let's be rational. Could it be possible, that in Syria currently Assad's government is disorganised, and he is not always aware of actions of the army? We could, right? That means - follow the thought - that regardless of Assad's character and intentions, there could be atrosities comitted by governmental military. That alone opens a whole avenue of pretty logical explanations to what happens in Syria. If he looses support of army he has - he is a dead man, and his family is likely too. Nobody guarantees he is brave or has mindstet of martyr - which would mean he would be going along with what is happening out of simple cowardice. This - is just one of possibilities, albeit a very plausible one - that explains differences between his claims and events in the country.

As for actions of USA and RF in region - let's assume that politicians are dishonest. Just for a moment - that both parties are not driven by altruism and desire to subjugate threat of ISIS - and have other interests. Would not then they be supportion one parties and condemning others, trying to use them for benefit? So, could it be so - that actually you both are right, just put too much trust into politicians? After all, where is war - there are crimes, usually commited by all sides fighting.

 

The Saudis want to have saying about this country and they are annoyed since decades about the Assad regime and his close friendship to Shiite in general and particularly in Lebanon (Hezbollah) and with Iran.

Israel and Assad regime are since ever enemies, but Israel wants to have a stable situation and is annoyed about the messed up country in general ... particularly when some of Assad's WMD's could fall into hands of terrorists.

 

That's come around pretty late in the war. Iran is moving Shia settlers from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon into Syria.. changing the demographic. Odds are the 5 million Syrian refugees will never be able to go home. If Iran feels strongly about Syria why don't they clean up the damned mess and repair the infrastructure so Syrian refugees can go home?

 

Well, it was Hezbollah who blew up the Khobar Towers.. and Assad did murder Rafic Hariri so there is bad blood.

 

Ever since Hezbollah became the major "security" threat and main force standing up to Israel, meaning ever since the coalition of Arab states (except Syria) which used to stand against Israel were basically neutralized and are no longer in the business of standing up to the Israelis, Israel's preoccupation has been Hezbollah and Iran. That preoccupation wasn't helped when Israel basically lost the war against Hezbollah in 2006. As such, the Israelis through various intermediaries engaged in back channel talks with Assad where the prospect of possibly even returning the Golan to him in return for Assad severing his ties with Iran/Hezbollah. When those negotiations didn't succeed, the Israelis redoubled their lobbying to get the US and company to plunge Syria into chaos.

Almost the same dynamic applied with Wahhabi Arabia, who has been losing to Hezbollah and Iran in various behind the scenes conflicts in Iraq and Lebanon and were angered when Assad continued to side with Iran during the Arab spring and rebuffed their offers of assistance in return to cutting his alliance with Hezbollah and Iran.

 

The Saudis aren't fighting Hezbollah......

How do you feel about Alawite drug smuggling and kidnapping for ransom?

 

The Saudis even cut off all assistance to Lebanon when Michael Aoun (a Christian ally of Hezbollah) was elected president.

Your comments also show you are clueless about how furiously Wahhabi Arabia has been working on getting Hezbollah sidelined and weakened politically within Lebanon and how they spend their money and clout to try (unsuccessfully) to accomplish the same. Indeed, the whole battle of protesters (one day in support of the pro Harrii faction and the next day in support of the pro Hezbollah faction) was a battle ultimately between Wahhabi Arabia and Iran to show who wielded more influence in Lebanon. Iran and Hezbollah won that contest. The demands for Hezbollah to be disarmed (supported by Wahhabi Arabia, Israel, the US, EU) were rebuffed. The demands that Hezbollah's control over the traffic into the Beirut airport be curtailed were rebuffed. Hezbollah today has a force that is several times stronger than it was before these machinations and is politically even more powerful within Lebanon than before.

 

Are you familiar with what Hariri did for the Lebanese? Has Iran helped the Lebanese people?

 

& The bloody WAR PIGS are at it again with their disingenuous allegations

............................When will you people stop eating the Crap that you are fed
.......................... The LIES of your puppet masters are an unhealthy diet of
........................... full on Bull Feces


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/#axzz4SaFsfSH4

TO FIND OUT IF YOU ARE BEING LIED TO, LOOK FOR WHAT SHOULD BE THERE AND ISN'T!

Here are some images of historical crematoria.



Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.

Note large smokestack to keep the smell from the ground.
Now, look at the image of what the US claims is the Syrian crematorium.



See any large smokestack? No? That is how we know this story is bovine excrement!

Read more: www.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz4hEqJsLrX

 

Iran rebuilt Lebanon after the Israelis turned much of the country and its infrastructure into rubble!

 

Oh is that their claim?