Germany Admits It Owes Greece 278.7 Billion Dollars

they don't pay taxes in the USA and they don't create Jobs in the USA which Trump so deep wants to have for the US People ... no they don't ...
Wake up and face truth please!

 

Oh ... 25 years ago now and you exclude of course the reaction in Germany after it and that even the relatives of the victim do not call the Germans to be evil for it.

Man... wake up and face the truth which bastard is leading Turkey!
If this bastard calls us to be Nazis... what he did btw to anyone in Europe who does not agree with him, is of course ignored by you!
I can still remember how this bastard calls us Nazis after we denied political election Events of AKP and politicians at us ... when they are even not allowed to do so by own Turkish Law which he introduced by himself! But who wonders about? I not ... because must this Turkish Nazi not follow his own laws and who is so impudent to remind him about is of course a Nazi, eh?

 

What BS ist this please?
Intersting that you as Turkish now follow the same BS blabbering of the Russians after your bastard in Ankara cuddles suddenly with Putin!

Yes there are some Nazi militias fightng too on Ukrainian side and extreme righties (Nazis) are sitting in governemnt and Parliament ... but you know that Russian Nazi militias are fighting on Donbass rebel side too?
So, if Merkel supports Nazis, you Support then too by calling Putin a good Boy, eh?

And again ... the chief Nazi of Turkey calls us to be Nazis! Is like a murders calls anotherone to be a murder! Lol!

 

The bastard Merkel is a NAZI because she supports NAZIS of Ukraine "openly" ! Solingen's perpetrators got loose and short sentences like 10-15 years in "normal prisons" for the 5 lives of "children and women" they have taken. That's a NAZI justice !!! They should have sentenced for life.

This is from Weil am Rhein, on April 28 of THIS YEAR:



Attack on a Turkish Mosque... Germany is still being run by NAZIS. PERIOD ! Those nazi cops seem they are about to take selfies and put on facebook....

 

A no?
It looks to me the Germans stalled the collapse of Greece long enough for them to get their returns on their investments and got their money the hell out of it. As for the UK,... Germany is not able to influence how much the pound is worth.

 

Four culprits that were convicted.
In 1993 Germany had a population of 81,16 million. Four can in no way be representative of 81,16 million.
You could have added the attack in Mölln a year earlier (1992) with three dead. Two culprits that were also convicted.
Makes six altogether. Six out of 81,16 million. The maths should be very clear.

 

They wrote of something like a 100 billion eu. Maybe double I can't be arsed to look it up. You know how much euro's the EU is printing? They printed up to 800 billion euro's total last year. It is going "somewhere", but looking at Greece... its not going over there. So how awful that was,.. to write down make it 300 billion euro's... when you get 800 back.

at their terms, not the terms Greece wants.

 

That's right. Not what Greece wants, because what Greece wants is a butt load of money for nothing in return. Who doesn't?
Not what Greece "wants", but what Germans think Greece needs.

And given how good Germans are with money and how bad Greeks are, I'm going to defer to Germany's superior qualifications. As indeed are the Greeks.

But they don't have to.
Any time they think it's a bad deal they can quit it. Anytime at all.

 

2 Years? Then what the hell these ""thousands"" of bastards are doing outside? LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSZZZZ





This is what Merkel supports abroad:



GERMANY SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OF EU as they support Nazism in all around the world particularly the ones at home...

 

Can you see the fear in her eyes?





The fear is actually historic Mr. MANDA:

 

There is a proverb with us ...

"If you have no idea about something, you better keep your mouth shut!"


Do you see any Nazi flag? I do not ... and if you mean "black-white-red" is the Nazi flag, then you prove to have no idea!
Neo Nazis are a world wide phenomena in the West ...

But if you want to come with this BS ... here my Answer!

Erdogan supports this scum in Russia in reverse...





But there is one different... In Germany we have some Nazi scum sometimes on the street which needs to be protected by Police to get the *peep* to be kicked out of them by the rest of the population ...
In Turkey Police and Nazis kick the "peep" together out of all who are in opposition to Erdogan ...

 

Lol big words from a Turk. You kill christians, burn alawites alive ect.

Beside that you get life sentence (which is 25 years) only for murder. Solingen was no murder.

 

Don't take any particular moment to be emblematic of long-term developments. The relationship between Europe an Islam, along with the continued depression along the Mediterranean coast threaten to deal European internationalism a death blow.

 

1. Greece has no chance of ever paying its loan off. It just keeps getting worse and the people suffer.
2. Varoufakis still strongly supports an EU but a very much reformed and democratised EU.
His concern has always been the need to change from within - that trying to change in any kind of revolutionary way would just bring the far right in - and indeed that is what we are seeing.
3. Due to this he supported Macron in the French Elections and expressed his concerns that some on the left were not supporting Macron. He also said that Macron was the only person who seemed to genuinely understand the Greek position last time they were going through this.

 

Veroufakis has a nice jacket and nice motorbike and is a likeable chap.
But he didn't have any of the answers. They tried it his way. It was bullshit. He lasted about a week.

Essentially Greece is having to purge it's entire political leadership. Because each one that has tried to keep the same corrupt system going... has failed.
Everyone from every side has been elected. They all failed.

In the total absence of any good leadership, Greece has done what all countries do in such positions. Get some one in from abroad.

 

No, but they're able to influence what kind of trade deal Britain gets during the negotiations.

 

he was not listened to. As I said he has given Macron credit for at least understanding the situation Greece is in.

Even the IMF knew that Greece was being asked to do things which it could not do. Greece has been put in a position of for eternity paying more than it has. This is not logical - it has been some time since I looked at it but that is basically the position. The deliberate poverty which Greece is being put under is giving rise to the far right - not sure you would mind that.

As far as Greece Suing people for money. I think they should have a go at your country as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret

 

Verofakis was listened to.
He spoke to everyone. In person with the bigwigs face to face and by the world at large through the media.

He was listened to and placed in the position to act upon his theories. He did so and achieved absolutely nothing.
So they got rid of him.


Currently the IMF is refusing to lend more money to Greece unless it defaults on it's loans.
Seems sensible, except the lending it more money part.

When Greece is no longer operating a deficit, it should default on it's loans. (And will).
As long as it still wants to borrow more, on no account should it default on any loans.

By reverse, it is in the interest of all lenders not to lend to Greece under any circumstances.
And therein lay Verofakis's problem.

 

So Mr manda, are you trying to tell me that those thousands of people marching in the streets of Germany are NOT NAZIS?

 

No ... but these are again and again the same some thousand people out of 80 million who do so and so these 0.2% of total population makes the rest of 99.8% to be Nazis too ... if I follow your logic!

So care first about your own Nazi scum in Turkey before you tell us to be Nazis who had learned out of our history and which you want to make in Turkish version again!

 

Problem with you Baff is that you never know what you are speaking about. To you it is just your personal opinion built on your biases and possible a bit of reading of the Daily Mail. It is totally irrelevant to you whether what you say is accurate or not. Anyway saves me reading your reply.

As I said Greece is caught in a situation where she never can pay back what she owes. She is caught in a situation of ever increasing debt and as I said even the IMF know that to be true.

I am very busy at the moment but you clearly know absolutely nothing about this situation and are just opening your mouth and mouthing off with no interest on whether it is true or not. You can begin learning here

 

@alexa.
You are biting me!

What is it that makes you think you know more of it than me?

Do you have any insider information I lack?

Certainly my opinions are often built around my biases. You will find your own are too.
I read the financials every day and have done for 30 or 40 years. I am as up to speed on the story as most.
Been following it all along for decades now. Not just on TV and in the papers, but I discuss it with Greek people and others online regularly. What is it that you know that I do not?
Please share. I'm genuinely interested in the subject matter.

I am anything but an uneducated man, Ma'am.

Please assume that as general rule. if I give opinion that I have taken the time to research my subject matter first, or indeed feel that I have first hand experiences to contribute. In the case of Greece, my knowledge is academic only. My opinion.
I used to have much of my life savings invested in bank stocks. So over the years this is the sort of story that I have had self interest in following. It is important to me to understand the relationships so that I can successful manage my investments. I do my best.


I am absolutely agreeing with you that Greece cannot repay. I have directly and repeatedly mentioned this in most of my responses in this thread. How many times do you want me to say it?

You however seem unwilling to accept the consequences of that to Greece.
Which is that no one will lend them more because they can't repay.

Credit has dried up.
Verofakis couldn't get anyone to lend to Greece exactly because Greece can't repay.
Talking radical economic bollocks didn't change that. He waved his magic wand... and nothing happened. Dur. Obviously.
We wanted to believe in him. The whole world did. But he didn't have any of the answers either.


Now what perhaps you may be missing from this, is that if Greece defaults, it's still in trouble financially afterwards.
The financial crisis doesn't end for Greece if you cancel the debt.

Because it operates a deficit. It needs to borrow to pay everyone or there will be rioting and looting and civil disorder and widespread poverty and all the rest. etc.

When Greece fixes it's economy. Balances the books, then they can default without fear of not being able to borrow more... because they will no longer need to borrow more.

So there are two ways in which Greece can balance it's books. Total immediate collapse or managed decline.
Greece, (and Germany) prefer the latter and are working towards that goal.

 

Haha... So the IRON CROSS is not Nazi decoration? LOL LOL LOLOLOLOL...

Nazis are Germans because it means Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei...



No cows...

 

As I still wrote before ... first investigate closer and then use the keyboard! Will prevent to write BS as now again...

The Iron Cross is no Nazi Symbol! It has its origin in the wars against Napoleon over 200 years ago ... and is painted as national symbol of our Armed Forces ... which are of course only newer version of Waffen SS in your blinded view, eh?

Black White and Red flags is the flag of German Empire between 1871 and 1918, the version with the cross and eagle in center is the war flag of the Empire as shown in WW-1 ... and side by side with Turkey at the Dardanelles for example, eh?

The red version in first image is only a phantasy flag of the Nazi movement which is not allowed to use the swastika! You will find it also in other things as for example in some normal computer games with WW-2 topic as game when they use this instead of original flag to avoid the use of swastika flag, which is not only in Germany forbidden!

And the irony of all that the some thousands of Nazis use the WW-1 flag instead original Nazi flag is that this scum has no idea for what the flag is standing for at least. If they would know it, they would burn it directly!

And last but not least to give you some education for the weekend: The NPD is a minor party which gets in general about 1-2% of votes in elections... in some areas a little bit more, in others lesser than 1%! To enter any parliament are 5% necessary which they rarely get...

In reverse ... the comparing Turkish MHP party which is the same as the German NPD has again how many % of votes in Turkey? 16% I read at last election! Bravo! So German Nazi party is out of parliament, Turkish Nazi party is inside and friend of Erdogan! So who is again Nazi please?

 

Seems Germany has a problem honoring their commitments. Doing their fair share concerning NATO comes to mind.