Withdrawing from the Paris Accord: Ttump's most damaging act of all.

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  1. ButterBalls

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    Better to shoot from the hip then to be shot in the ass! The accord was so unfair it should have never happened, time lines could have been far more realistic per country! China and India made out like bandits, let the rest of the worlds suckers spend tankers full of money while the biggest carbon footprints get a two decade grace period!
     
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    Here's a question that you conveniently left out of your op. Why?
     
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    He doesn't even know what the Paris Agreement is; Trump’s speech withdrawing the US from the Paris climate was humiliating because it was total gibberish that revealed that the President Of The United States has no clue what Paris Climate Accord is or what it does and doesn’t do.

    Trump said, “In order to fulfill my solemn duty to protect America and its citizens, the United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord but begin negotiations to reenter either the Paris accord or an entirely new transaction on terms that are fair to the United States, its businesses, its workers, its people, its taxpayers. We’re getting out, but we will start to negotiate and we will see if we can make a deal that’s fair. If we can, that’s great. If we can’t, that’s fine.”
    The President also claimed to be bringing an economy back that had record setting job growth before he took office, “The economy is starting to come back and very, very rapidly. We’ve added $3.3 trillion in stock market value to our economy, and more than a million private sector jobs.”
    The topper was this incoherent stretch of gibberish, where the President seems to think that the global economy is stuck in the early 20th Century:

    China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So, we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement. India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020. Think of it. India can double their coal production. We’re supposed to get rid of ours. Even Europe is allowed to continue construction of coal plants.
    In short, the agreement doesn’t eliminate coal jobs. It just transfers those jobs out of America and the United States and ships them to foreign countries. This agreement is less about the climate and more about other countries gaining a financial advantage over the United States.
    China is investing $360 billion and creating 13 million new jobs by 2020 in clean energy. China also installs an average of one wind turbine every hour of every single day. Meanwhile, Trump is worried about coal jobs that employ 65,000 people in the US.
    What Trump said isn’t logical. It isn’t even a policy position. Trump’s speech revealed that he has no understanding of the Paris climate agreement.
    Donald Trump’s ignorance is giving Russia exactly what it always wanted. With each stupid and uninformed decision that Trump makes, he is destroying American global leadership and weakening the United States as a world power.

    Videos here if you can stomach them


    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06...gibberish-withdrawing-paris-climate-deal.html
     
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    The damage has been done, no one is going to go cold turkey on hydrocarbon fuels and it will be a century before the Green Tech could replace it, maybe shorter in time, but decades ahead. So why not think of another option - adaption.

    Developing technologies that adapt us to a warmer planet and move people now slowly away from the coasts and low laying areas. I would start by no longer having the Federal Government help people rebuild in areas destroyed by bad storms and flood plains and next be clear and offer zero Federal help in protecting the coastal major cities starting say in a decade if they decide to fight they do it at the cities, counties and States to fund. New York for example is indefensible from higher water levels long term so why lie and say the city and all the industry in it of all kinds needs to move in the coming half century on in the main. My home state of Florida is even worse off the State needs to move largely North for higher ground by then.

    Unless all the world decides tomorrow to give up coal, petroleum and any related technology in a decade I don't see any other option.
     
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    The sky isn't falling quite yet
     
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    Can't control the border but can control the heavens. Liberal hubris.
     
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    Dude it isn't going to do either. China will increase it's carbon foot print, ditto most of the rest of the third world, for the foreseeable future and we are going to pay them to do it. Billions spent most of it will go to line the pockets of third world dictators, plus a few green energy boondoggles thrown in to line some politicians pocket or give some corporation a little enviro street cred or both. Sorry if I sound a bit cynical but I've seen this crap before.
     
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    There is about as much chance of that happening as there is of you replacing Lebron in the Cavs starting line up tonight. Sorry it is a nice dream but reality is going to kick it's teeth down it's throat. Too much corruption too much money to little reason to go along when you can get rich instead and it won't just be the 3rd world pols pilfering the money either.
     
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    reef-change-gif3.gif Just for you Bower.
     
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    So, in your mind, the World Economy means controlling the boarder?
    Of course it will! They were the hardest to get to sit at the negotiation table. Nobody is happier than China that Trump withdrew from the Paris Accord. Now they'll increase emissions to their heart's content. Well, unless the leader of the free world (Angela Merkel) can get them to stop.

    And none are going to trust us again.

    I wonder if Trump realizes that he has undermined himself. Who will trust him with any deal whatsoever.? Foreign Policy is basically dead. Or reduced to military policy and to which countries will build a Trump Tower.

    After so many accusations the Republicans have thrown at Democrats about being "isolationists", who would have thought that it would be a Republican who would take isolationism to the extreme were it will do our country the most damage?

    The Mao experiment that failed in China, now begins in our country.
     
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    Sorry dude, but anybody that thinks stars falling to earth reveals the second coming has no idea of how the universe works
     
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    Says someone posting pictures is science.
     
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    Hey everybody, you heard it here first. Everything is going to be fine. :laughing:
     
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    Somebody finally got tired of useless arguments.
     
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    So you moved from useless arguments to useless pictures. Got it.
     
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    I was just skimming the news, and it appears this has everything to do with money. The European countries flat out refuse to renegotiate with America.

    If they really believe the fate of the world is at stake, one would think they might show some interest in finding areas of agreement, no?
     
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    China would have anyway and they haven't withdrawn from the treaty and they won't. Why should they? They get all the benefits Europe gets all the pain.
     
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    So just to be clear: withdrawal of the United States from a climate accord which provides very little in the way of actually addressing climate change while costing the U.S. a whole lot of money, this is the most harmful decision made by President Trump? (Well, at least until next week, huh?)

    I agree with Dana Perino, who said of the people criticizing President Trump's announcement yesterday:
    I think that yes, they're showing passion, but it's fake. Partly because when this agreement was signed, the left in particular was not happy with it. They said it was toothless. It wasn't, it didn't go far enough. It wasn't. If you look at Jim Hanson who was the NASA scientist who caused all the problems during the Bush administration about climate, he said that it was one of the worst things that President Obama could have done was to enter into this thing that had no, that would actually achieve nothing. So I actually think that part of it on the celebrity side of things is that this actually fuels their ability to make money on this. Think of the grants and the speeches and the conferences and the concerts, like all that stuff is going to be able to continue. And they'll use this decision as a way to do it. Now think about this. If President Trump had made the decision to stay in, which I think he could have defended as well, they would say "Yes, but that's not enough." And the vitriol would have been the same.

    Yes. A fact that very few on the left seem willing to admit.
     
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    Its probably has more to do with the 4 massive radiation leaks from japan...
     
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    It's Obama's fault. He should have asked the Senate to ratify it as a treaty. Since he was too lazy to even attempt to negotiate with the Senate on this, the Accord was basically a temporary thing. Just another example of Obama's half-assed leadership.
     
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    The MIT study examined the accord and determined that by 2100 the projected rise in temperature would be reduced by 0.2°C. For basically billions of dollars spent by the US sending it to other countries for a 0.2°C reduction is pretty muchinsane. Of course this is based onunproven assumptions and models.
     

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