Qatar row: Saudi and Egypt among countries to cut Doha links

Nobody cares if Iran is Muslim. The issue with Iran is that they fund Hezbollah, HAMAS and the al Houthis

 

No it is not that. I know the guy. He is a Palestinian Refugee who lives in the UK and is frequently asked his opinion on things. This is his genuine opinion. The fact that your answer to someone's genuine opinion is Garbage only tells me that you are a person who is so entrenched in your own propaganda that you will not even listen to another opinion.

 

and I should pay attention to someone who is nothing other than a Saudi Hasbara. I do not think so.

 

I know you are a Saudi Gas Bag. So what to the above. What relevance does that have.?

 

Look at your source.. Once you get the basics, you'll see thru the crap.

 

You don't understand the history or the basics when it comes to KSA and the Gulf States. Qatar is in the bag for Iran because of North Dome and South Pars.

Qatar hosts AQ, Taliban and all sorts of fanatic groups.

 

Well that may or may not be true. They are both funders of terrorism. That does not have relevance to the sudden attempt to destroy Qatar. Gazans are inviting their blockaded Qatar friends over to stay and get some food! I can remember shortly before the Coup in Egypt, Abu Sina said something about the Saudi's being on a power grab and this was going to be explosive.

Of course it is also about the growing friendship between the Sauds and Israel as the Saud's choose Israel above the Palestinians and join together as allies to fight Iran. Other people have mentioned oil interests, but war with Iran does seem likely to be one of the key ingredients going on.

 

As I said I know the man.

 

Sputnik like RT is crap. Saudi Arabia just closed the border. KSA isn't going to attack Qatar for reasons you couldn't understand.

 

Can you shed any light on why he is such a fool?

 

Looks like the US has as per usual thrown gasoline on the open fire, Turkey sending troops to Qatar... is there a separate thread somewhere?

 

Not a good idea.. Turkey is already burdened with refugees fleeing ISIS.

There are 11,000 US troops in Qatar.. What with they with Turkish soldiers?

 

I will say again.being a Brit, Abdel Bari Atwan is known to me and has been for many, many years. Now what he has said is his genuine opinion of what is going on. Other people will have other opinions but that is his. As things progress we will find out how correct he was or not.

You Margot are just a shrill for Saudi Arabia, I do not know what your job is with them but long ago I realised your constant propaganda for such a brutish regime which does exactly the same as ISIS, given that they come from the same ideology comes from far more than just having spent some time there when you were younger and having made friends there. . What is it one public beheading on average every three days. Crucifixions. Beheaded for peaceful protest, for having a different point of view, for being against sectarianism, for writing poetry - all things you defend in your support of Saudi Arabia.

We will see what happens. Abdel Bari Atwan believes the intent is regime change in Qatar leading to the eventual coming together of Sunnis to attack Iran. That is a man who knows his stuff. Obviously being a Palestinian Refugee his interest will be first on their safety. Yours of course is the Sauds whatever they do and coming out with one liner attacks - almost all basically the same on any who disagree with you.

 

I noticed this in the news this morning, was hoping there was a thread with other sources to shed more light

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/turkey-fast-track-troops-deployment-qatar-170607151127104.html

 

I am a retired grandmother living in Georgia.

Who wants regime change in Qatar? Not the Saudis that's for sure... and the Sunni states have ZERO interest in attacking Iran.

There are over 10,000 American military in Qatar.. Atwan is cracked.

 

Excerpt:

Turkey is a key ally of Qatar and is setting up a military base in the country which also hosts the largest US airbase in the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain severed relations with Qatar and closed their airspace to commercial flights on Monday, accusing it with financing "extremist" groups.

Qatar vehemently denies the accusations. This is the worst split between powerful Arab states in decades.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has criticised the Arab states' move, saying isolating Qatar and imposing sanctions will not resolve any problems and adding that Ankara will do everything in its power to help end the crisis.

Turkey has maintained good relations with Qatar as well as several of its Gulf Arab neighbours.

Turkey set up a military base in Qatar, its first such installation in the Middle East, as part of an agreement signed in 2014. In 2016 Ahmet Davutoglu, then Turkish prime minister, visited the base where 150 troops were already stationed, the Turkish daily Hurriyet reported.

In an interview with Reuters in late 2015, Ahmet Demirok, Turkey's ambassador to Qatar at the time, said 3,000 ground troops would eventually be deployed at the base, which was planned to serve primarily as a venue for joint training exercises.

 

And Qatar funds ISIS and Al Qaida as did many privateers in Saudi Arabia too! Same sort of hypocrisy to blame and accuse Iran for bad things, but to close all eyes about the bad things done by the friends and allies.
So ask yourself why no one cared about following facts in the USA, neither any Democrat nor Republican and even not Trump until other Arabs cut links now..

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Qatar backs HAMAS and the Muslim Brothers since a long time too and this caused anger with Saudi Arabia ... but you blame Iran for it only by your own? Why not Qatar too please?
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There is irrefutable evidence that Qatar in the Libyan civil war has supported extreme Islamists who are now ISIS or at least ISIS allies in Libya! Reaction Washington about? Silence!

 

ISIS declared war on KSA in 2011 and has carried out over 2 dozen suicide bombings... KSA rounded up 400 last year who were either making bombs or training suicide bombers. Its time they closed the border with Qatar. Qatar had one bombing in 2005.

Tillerson is calling for calm... Trump doesn't have a clue.

 

Turkey, with its strong trade links to Iran and apparent unwillingness to have a confrontation with its neighbour, is supporting Doha's appoach to the Iranian threat.

"Riyadh is viewing Iran as an existential threat, yet Qatar, much like Turkey, has been following a rather complicated and multilayered strategy against Iran," said Yesilada.

"Turkey is in loggerheads with Iran in Iraq and Syria, but it is also continuing its growing trade relationship with this neighbour - and this compartmentalised relationship is making Riyadh question the strength of Turkey's position in the alliance that is forming against Iran in the Middle East".

"Their attitude towards Iran is putting Qatar and Turkey in the same camp, once again."

Analysts explained that Turkey would do everything it can to resist the US and Saudi pressure to turn its historic rivalry with Iran into enmity. "Turkey and Iran had long been compertmentalising their relations," Kasapoglu explained.

"They faced each other in Iraq and Syria, but this did not stop the Iranian Foreign Minister from visiting Turkey, or affected the two countries' trade relations."

"Turkey agrees to many aspects of Qatar's foreign policy vision, and President Erdogan made it clear that he does not agree with the accusations Riyadh directed at Qatar," Yesilada said. "On subjects like Palestine, Egypt, Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood, two countries are definitely on the same page."

"But this does not mean Turkey is willing to jeopardise its relations with Saudi Arabia or the UAE."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...y-deploying-troops-qatar-170607174911372.html

OPINION: Qatar-Gulf rift - The Iran factor

 

I don't believe you. I would have before your obsession with Saudi Arabia and your obvious need to protect them and put out propaganda for them at every point, regardless of any other information - even plying this forum with the argument that 'we; should not support the rebuilding of the ME - which Abdel Bari Atwan believes is part of what is going on. Yes although before you put all other experts on them as beneath you when you do this to the point that you go against what appeared before to be your prime interest, the Palestinians and are willing to give them up for Saudi Arabia, I know your interest is nothing to do with any values except the values of supporting Saudi Arabia right or wrong. For a long time I thought your support for SA just came from having spent time there and a romantic idea of them and that was why you excused every inhumane thing they did....but how you are now, no, it is something else you are protecting.What I do not know but it seems you would sell your soul for it or otherwise were always a paid Saud Propaganda merchant - one who now comes out with the same kind of one liner baits that Hasbara people always have.

You diss the source, try another



and I will say again what he is saying is his opinion. That is all. How he is reading the current situation. Time will tell if he is right or wrong but people interested in the truth can keep it in mind as they try to understand the situation. Abdel Bari Atwan has been an Independent voice against extremism from the beginning.

That could well be a reason for Regime change if Qatar has to close ties to Iran and will not help Saudi Arabia and her Israeli alley attack Iran.

 

There won't be any regime change in Qatar. Thani is young.. 38 I think.

Saudi Arabia wants a 2 state solution in Palestine and a return of the West Bank. East Jerusalem, Shaaba Farms and the Golan heights and they have worked towards that since 2002.

I support KSA because I know them, their history and leadership.. and I know WHY they are not like Iran. Iraq and Syria. They have been a US ally since the 1930.

Qatar is fine with Iran in spite of their funding the al Houthis in Yemen.. but Qatar can't play footsies with ISIS, Eastern Libyan militias, AQ and the Taliban.. Too many people have been killed because of those terrorists.

 

Lets be smarter and just blame who should be blamed. The Shia and the Sunni.

 

We shall see on this. They were supportive of Israel in the 2014 attack on Gaza though I can remember you denied this. The Israelis are now wanting to annex area C, 62% of the West Bank and either get rid of or keep the rest of the Palestinians in isolated bantustans with no possibility of self determination and without rights we normally assign to all human beings for eternity. After Netanyahu's meeting with Trump it was believed that the deal would be that they would both go after Iran as they were allies in this and then that Saudi Arabia and Egypt may help in such things as taking in Palestinians leaving the rest of the Palestinians land to Israel, neat and tidy.

Not just in the US but also in the UK a lot of us do not want our Governments being allies with Saudi Arabia.

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/06/sau..._u_s_relationship_with_the_theocratic_nation/


You cannot get away from the ideologies of States and the way they treat their people - and of course this AL Qaeda leading to ISIS and all the other groups would never have got going if it had not been for Saudi (and US) Funding and if they had not turned against the Saudi Government - though still supported by many of the Saudi population I am sure Saudi Arabia would still support them. They are without question a threat to the Saudis and I would suggest it is that rather than any fundamental difference in ideology with them and the Sauds that has turned the Saudi Government against them.

Which many think is somewhat overstated by Saudi Arabia. From the Financial Times article I left yesterday

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I frequently have come across articles questioning what significant involvement Iran has in that. In addition I noticed that when the Saudis first went in people were talking about how they were allowing Al Qaeda to gain ground in Yemen

she did until they turned against her and many of her subjects still do.

Iran does not support ISIS or Al Qaeda and never has though I have read this is the latest fake news being circulated. This is to do with a power bid. Of course Trump will support Israel to go after Iran. That goes with the desires of Saudi Arabia.

 

It has NOTHING to do with Shia and Sunni.

 

Lets see he says Trump got a half of a billion......or trillions from the Saud. And yet I bet you don't see what isn't quite Right there, huh?

Did you figure out yet that Trump invited the Qataris to the WH yesterday?