Qatar row: Saudi and Egypt among countries to cut Doha links

The Arabs have legitimate reasons to reject MB.

 

WHO is following the Saud?

 

Where's Jemen?

 

Yeah. Mostly because, if they have tried to be a democracy, they might loose from the MB, and so no more power and so no money in the trillions.

Make in Yemen.
Like I care.

 

That's my girlfriend, and I'd do her and all of her kind before I'd screw someone as stupid as you.

 

I love the Russian hackers story.
The smell of male bovine excrement is strong in this one.

The stories of support for terrorism have been going on for years but totally ignored - but Russian hackers did it all.

 

OK.. Typo.. But, I don't think ISIS is in Yemen yet.

 

Iran is fighting against ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Saudis fund them and teach their ideology.

I say we side with Iran.

 

No.. ISIS are formerly Saddam's military.. They are Baathists which the Saudis despise.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/354735-yemen-report-isis-saudi/

Osama Bin Laden, was a Saudi. His family is apparently a rich and influential Saudi family. And Al Qaida and ISIS.... bit of the same.

 

No, ISIS is simply Al Qaeda in Iraq...by a new name.

 

A lot of support for Al-Qaeda in Iraq came from disenfranchised Ba'athists. Sunni tribal leaders were more inclined just to get along.

The Americans seemed to have made every conceivable step to disenfranchise Iraqi Sunnis, probably the single greatest mistake made in the occupation.

But Margot's point is really disingenuous. Being a Ba'ath is like being a Chinese Communist, not deeply ideological but practical, especially on the footsoldier level. These former Ba'athists are now Jihadists, different from those groups supported by the Saudis only in veracity.

 

So what is really going on? Surely you remember the Hillary to podesta email. She said both Saudi Arabia and Qatar were supporting ISIL and other radical groups in Syria. And yet now the Saudis are accusing Qatar of doing it alone? LOL

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/871591038191894528

So, something is happening here, and it is not exactly what it seems to be. No surprise.

 

What you say is not quite accurate. Before 2006/07 (the "Redirection"), the US did to some extent try to make sure Iraq's governance was based on all of its communities being more or less properly represented, meaning it enfranchised the previously disenfranchised shia community. It did so, however, in a system that sought to ensure Sunni representation beyond their numbers. But ultimately, since the Shia are the majority in Iraq, that meant the shia were empowered at the expense of the Arab sunni minority that had previously held power in Iraq. After the "Redirection", the US simply changed course and began doing things to weaken the shia government and institutions in Iraq, while creating various sunni forces and militia in that country.
As for ISIS, they share the ideology of Al Queda and have a lot of former Al Queda extremists and foreign jihadists in their ranks. But do have plenty of ex Baathist officers and soldiers making up their ranks as well. They are essentially one rival faction of Al Queda, many of whom paid and supported by the US and Wahhabi Arabia during the 'surge' to fight off other factions, joined in with ex Baathist officers and troops including those who had been paid previously by the Americans as part of the Sunni militia known as the "Sons of Iraq".

 

If Hillary wrote that, she's wrong.. If not the email was salted. 8 countries INCLUDING Libya has accused Qatar. ISIS has been attacking KSA for 5 years. How many suicide bombings have there been in Qatar?

 

KSA is ISIS. They all support the exact same Wahhabi ideology. No matter how much Margot denies it

 

ISIS came out of Iraq.. They were Baathists and soldiers in Saddam's military.. Wahhabis completely reject Baathism. Do you know WHY?

 

ISIS could have come from China. Doesn't matter. They share the same beliefs as Saudi Arabia. Their Wahhabi ideology.

 

Sure, I was using flowery language. It's true that Americans tried to control the potentially vindictive use of power by Iraq's Shia, but the disbanding of the army and de-Ba'athification of the government was a wonderful way to make Iraqi Sunni feel like the Americans were there to destroy their standing in society. Americans on the ground on Iraq have been desperate to get support from Sunni Iraqis, the groups best positioned to deal with Al-Qaeda. Even in this latest offensives against ISIS the Americans have tried to scrounge up enough Sunni support to have Sunni armies take cities.

Maliki, on the other hand, didn't seem eager to incorporate Sunni militias into Iraq's defense system.

This is what makes the invasion in 2003 so confusing. The Bush administration must have had some inklings of the problems that would arise. They had to know that resistance would rise out of Sunni communities, and that the Shia would look to Iran for support.

This has all lead to the empowerment of America's two primary regional rivals in Iraq, Al-Qaeda and Iran. Might just be hindsight talking, but it all seems painfully obvious.

 

Al Baghdadi, who is the leader of ISIS said ISIS came out of Camp Bucca prison in Iraq. He said it became a finishing school for jihadis.

 

LOLOL.. No.. Baathists and Wahhabis have NOTHING in common. Syria and Iraq were controlled by the French and the British... That's where their nationalism comes from. KSA is neither socialist nor nationalistic.. Further, KSA has never been in the Soviet sphere of influence.

Your understanding of the ME is shallow.. as if you learned it from soundbites and Fox news insta-pundits.

 

ISIS is openly Wahhabist. Why do you think Jihadist groups gravitate toward that version of Islam?

 

Lots of jihadi jerks who claim they are Wahhabi, aren't, but for the media it has become a buzzword. Killing women, children and non-combatants is NOT Wahhabi.. Neither is temporary marriage.

 

Sure, I can appreciate that most Wahhabis are peaceful. But why do you think the Jihadis are lying? They might have a weak understanding of deeper Wahhabi teachings, they might have a weak understanding of Islam in general, but I don't see any reason to assume that they are being disingenuous. People don't gravitate towards religious sects based purely, or even largely, on deeply held philosophical convictions. That sect is able to frame the world in a way that they find compelling at that moment in their lives.

 

There is no difference between Saudi Arabia, their laws, their ideology, than ISIS. ISIS=KSA. The only people on earth who deny it are people from KSA.