Russia will target US jets in parts of Syria, defence ministry says

Dude....

I AM;



Proud to be the Rebel of Kennesaw...

The heck are you from is the question to be answered now...

 

And yet you told me you were Irish and I suspect another forum member you were Turkish.

Much as I do enjoy your conversation....
And I do, I simply think you pick whatever nationality you think you can get a rise from people best with. I don't actually believe you when you come out with it.

 

There is no "your side of the river"in Syria. It's all Syrian side.

 

What is Astan?

 

Most would agree Assad doesn't control all of Syria, a sovereign is only truly so over that which he controls. With Syrian air under the control of Russia and the Coalition, it's waters under Russian control and its territorial surface partly under the control of assorted insurgents, Kurds, terrorists, Iranians, Russians and others, it would be fair to say Assad actually controls only a small fraction of Syria, the area around Damascus, maybe a bit of coastline.

 

Raqqa is not part of Syria; it's an ISIS held city. But to your point, Russia is warning us to stay on a side of a river, or else. Yet, the incident happened on the side they want us to stay on. This is like plastic sword levels of saber rattling. It's more like baby rattler rattling, if anything.

 

Hmmm, Kennesaw, stone mountain? Nice place from what I hear, Atlanta was OK, but far to much a metropolis, does this city ever f***ing end, Savannah was nice but way to hot, I suppose when one is there in July?

Dakotas is gawds country, Rushmore, badlands, sturgis biker bash(leave your piece in your pouch on your hawg,lol.)
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He's Turkish!

 

In a sense I agree, I don't think we're going to accomplish very much in Syria. But something we can achieve is to ensure that Assad faces two problems in the future: First, that he has to eventually cope with a democratic opposition. Second, that he faces an armed autonomous region in the north that cannot be easily brought into his control.

These two factors give the Americans levers to pull.

I like levers.

 

Washington lies! The Syrian jet was fighting ISIS when it was hit... and the Americans said it was attacking their men. Yet the Syrian Observatory which is anti Assad and funded by Britain, also said that the Syrian jet was bombing ISIS.

It seems there is some kind of agreement where the Eastern part of the Euphrates will be in the American sphere of influence, while the Western part will remain with Russia. Yet the American coalition and its adherents, keep going over to the Western side.

I know Russia has made agreements with Assad to develop the oil and gas fields in Syria, and also has agreements with the Kurds... so either way Russia does not lose. But since our government makes a habit of projecting their intents into others, they might have thought Putin could care less ...and would just as soon back stab Assad.

How dumb! Had they paid attention to his speeches they would know differently. Vladimir Putin detests disloyalty above everything else.


Lord, what fools these mortals be - William Shakespeare

 

What I don't get about Russia and Assad is, at this point, wouldn't it just be easier to get rid of this prick, and work with the new guy? This is costing you and everyone else a fortune. Had you not intervened, you would probably already be pulling the strings of the new puppet leader of Syria (not that anyone thought this would last this long). Money talks, and nobody else has interests in Syria like you do, due to geography. It seems to me that a post-Assad Syria is likely to be a Russian puppet also. Why all this trouble?

 

So you're saying that Assad who was voted in by 89% of the Syrian people in an elections with a 76% turnout should face troubles in the future? Why, don't you believe in democracy and the will of the people... or is it only the Syrian people that shouldn't have a right to choose their own government?

 

Have you seen what Syria looks like recently? Huge sections of it are under a pile of rubble. Several nations are there fighting various factions. ISIS has taken a chunk. To use the scientific term, it's a clusterfuck. Alternatively, admittedly in hindsight, the nation could be in tact, after a short civil war. Why not just buy the new guy? Assad isn't worth all this, not even for that warm water port. If Assad is dethroned, it matters little to Russia. You likely control it either way. /shrug

Side note: Isn't it amazing how much geography still matters in world events, despite our ability to fly?

 

Yes. You think he won't?

I think that you're not fully understanding how exactly open democracy works. Do you think that Democrats and Republicans achieving near-parity in electoral terms happened accidentally?

The only way for one party to ensure total control over an extended period of time is for actions to be taken to break up and delegitimize opposition parties.

90% support for a single individual is not a sign of a long-term open democracy. If Assad keeps Syrian democracy open he will eventually face viable opposition. He might not do that, I don't know.

 

Geodemography is everything....still.

 

Do you know why Assad received so much of the vote? Because he is protecting the Syrian people from the animals that have destroyed their country, and who are trying to impose their will on them. The Syrian people refuse to bow to tyrants.



Give me liberty or give me death- Patrick Henry

 

The vote is fixed madam. This view is naive. But there is nothing gained by destroying the country. Assad could have avoided all this by vacating his post and allowing regular elections. But that is incredibly naive to think as well.

 

Your fanciful propaganda aside, Assad was actually given the choice to avoid all this by cutting ties with Iran/Hezbollah and moving out of the axis of resistance. Indeed, that is the main US-Israeli-Wahhabi Arabia demand on Assad. The rest is just propaganda. The American government, being pushed by the pro Israel lobby on the issue, are even willing to give Syria to the Russians. But the one thing they can't accept is for Syria to choose its alliances if that choice means being allied to Iran.

 

I don't attack you and in fact enjoy your view of the world. So please don't start a response to me as my spouting propaganda. I stopped reading after that. If your choice is to have me ignore you then don't address this issue. But I'd sooner wish to converse with you or at least read your posts.

 

I am not aware I was attacking you and that is not my intention. I essentially labeled your view that the Syrian election was "fixed" as propaganda but said leaving that aside, the war was never about Assad anyway. It was always about Assad's relations with Iran and Hezbollah.

p.s.
The 2014 Syrian elections were monitored by observers from 30+ countries, including from the two largest non-aligned democracies in the world, namely India and Brazil. The only groups trying to fix that election were the rebels and terrorists and western governments, who tried to put all sorts of obstacles in front of the Syrian people taking part in those elections. The Syrian people braved their threats and participated in those elections in overwhelming numbers.

 

It seems not only I don't know about your gender. You are not aware too

 

Savannah is almost 4 hrs drive from my town. You can be in Huntsville AL in 3. ATL is Alpha city dawg but we're at least 25 minutes drive away from the downtown. You may have been to Dakota, lived a while(South I assume) but I don't think you're pure bred anyways dude. What part of Ukraine are you from? Latvia maybe?

 

Fair enough.

I don't care who watched it. Somewhere along the line something got squirrely. Those are vote tallies of a setup. Besides why would Assad allow any wiggle room. Anyone willing to gas people to stay in power isn't going to let observers get in the way.

 

It was a rather fair election. Even FOX news couldn't pretend otherwise in its reportage, although their "talking heads" aren't constrained by any requirement to keep their comments within factual bounds.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...port-for-assad-even-among-sunni-majority.html
Syrian election shows depth of popular support for Assad, even among Sunni majority

 

Dude I'm Irish. We ain't no Massachusetts but the Irish community here in North Georgia is not that small. We make 15% only in Cobb. Don't tell me that's nothin...