I suspect this is where Trump/Russia collusion will be found in the end

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  1. TOG 6

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    Still making accusations based on nothing but your intuition, eh?
     
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    Oh,hey there TOG 6---I brought you a link in another thread---"-What do you fear about trump" it is still waiting there for you to respond to----But, as long as you are here,I'll give you a hint of what it is about----It is about the document that was leaked that was "highly classified" that stated that the data managers programs were breached---
    And yes,along with my intuition there is now evidence to support my claim--- Do I wish the lady that also put more info on a flashdrive would just have gone ahead & leaked that info also,I do believe you would be eating your degrading words---I also provided a link to you with a video showing how easy it is for someone to go in & change the numbers-but "crickets" from you----It is possible, it did happen & the wrong person took the oath of office----
     
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    What I described is a textbook case of money laundering.

    You tried to dance past the fact that Trump is routinely dishonest and secretive about his businesses and his business dealing. (not to mention that he is still running that mom and pop shop out of the White House).

    You also tried to ignore the frequent and almost routine communication between Trump campaign associates and officials of the Russian government and gangsters with close ties to Putin.

    When you can proves that this sort of dealing was ever the case in the campaign of any other Presidential campaign in US history, you can not claim that any of this is within the normal course of anyone doing business.

    And if you can't make that claim, you entire argument falls apart.

    Not to mention the fact that the US intelligence community is now utterly certain that Russian interests did mount a significant effort to influence the US election, a conclusion that is shared internationally.

    The fact that Donald Trump NEVER talks about this, is making no effort at all to show any leadership on maintaining the integrity of US elections, and has made NO effort whatsoever to insure that it never happens again, adds to doubts.
     
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    One's net worth does not drop by 80% in a matter of months unless one has a very very bad year indeed.

    Making pathetic excuses for defending this man's childish lies is pathetic.

    You obviously fell for them. And now you're making embarrasingly weak excuses for continuing to do so.
     
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    Nosense bureaucracy controls the world and
    you have provided zero proof of that allegation. It is interesting you and others before the election were claiming he wasn't even a billionaire and with no more proof than you had them you're claiming he's lost billions
     
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  6. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Secretive about his business" ROFL!!!

    He's in REAL ESTATE, man! You don't give your competitors *any* information about what you are doing. They could interfere with your deals in all kinds of ways! And *you* think this is suspicious?

    This is nothing more of an indication of your Trump Derangement Syndrome!

    "close ties toPutin". ROFL!

    Lots of important businessmen in Russia have ties to Putin! Are US businessmen supposed to stop doing business in Russia altogether because of this?

    Again, this is nothing more than an indication of your Trump Derangement Syndrome!

    Get this in your head! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER PRESIDENT WITH INTERNATIONAL *BUSINESS* DEALINGS LIKE TRUMP!

    And it *is* normal in the course of business! In fact, how would *any* of us know what is normal in the international real estate business? BY LOOKING AT WHAT HE'S DONE. Trump has met with sheikhs in the Middle East during his real estate deals. How is that any different than meeting with important business people in Russia? He's met with Scottish business and political leaders in Scotland while doing business deals there! How is that any different than his relationships in Russia?

    Again, this is nothing more than an indication of your Trump Derangement Syndrome!

    And Russia trying to interfere in our elections means absolutely nothing when it comes to Trump. Even the Marxist Democrats in Congress are finally coming around to that conclusion. For Pete's sake! It was Russians that created the "Russian dossier" that created such a firestorm about Trump and his associates! Why would the Russians do this if they were trying to help him?

    Again, this is nothing more than an indication of your Trump Derangement Syndrome!

    And why would Trump talk about something that is being investigated by several Congressional committees and the FBI? If he did you would just claim he's trying to interfere with the investigations!

    Again, this is nothing more than an indication of your Trump Derangement Syndrome!
     
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    Link, please.
    The "evidence" here does not support your claim, except on the periphery.
     
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    No, it's not. It's a textbook case of a conspiracy theory! How would Trump launder money anyway? Laundering money involves taking in money in one form and handing it back in another. Where would Trump have gotten the money to hand back? The money he took in was for building things, he din't have the liquidity to launder money.

    Again, your Trump Derangement Syndrome is showing! Knowing someone is *NOT* illegal no matter how much you wish it be so!

    I didn't dance past anything! You haven't shown any evidence to use in declaring him routinely dishonest and like I told you , people in real estate are *always* secretive. Letting everyone know what you are going to do is a sure fire way to let others take advantage of you!

    The only one here ignoring stuff is *YOU*!

    *I* ignored nothing! Can't you read? Trump and people he know are in high finance. He's met with all kinds of government leaders over the world. Is he in league with the government of Qatar? Of Scotland? He's met government leaders in both places while doing business in those countries. And having contact with people that have close ties to Putin means nothing. Most large businessmen in Russia have ties to Putin. So what? You have no proof of anything! Just allegation after allegation created by your fevered mind!

    What kind of dealing? You've shown no proof of any dealing besides normal business contacts of a large and successful businessman! Again, we have *NEVER* had a president whose had the stature as a businessman like Trump! Is *that* your problem with Trump? That' he is a successful businessman?

    *YOU* are the one that can't claim Trump is the same as other Presidents because it just isn't true!

    SO WHAT? Even the Marxist Democrats in Congress are now admitting that there is not one scintilla of evidence that Trump or the Trump campaign had anything to do with what the Russians did! Stop listening to the voices in your head. They are lying to you!

    First, why *should* Trump talk about something that never happened? That's like expecting an innocent man to talk about a crime! It's idiotic! Second, there are several Congressional committees and the FBI, including a special investigator, investigating what the Russians did. What other leadership are you expecting Trump to show? When the investigation is *finished* and we know exactly what happened is the time to show leadership, not before. If we don't know what to prevent then how can we insure it never happens again?

    Again, your Trump Derangement Syndrome is showing. Get help!
     
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    Can you point to the statute that says a foreigner can't help a person running for election here? I am not aware of any.
     
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    You go read the US campaign election laws--But,what you are basically saying ,is it is OK for trump to use a foreign country to get elected by any means,as long as "he" got in! Please tell me that is "not" what you are saying!
     
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    You are correct but I believe that there will also have a few more money trails that lead to corrupt motive.
     
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    In other words, you have no idea where the law says it illegal.
     
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    Well,if you would answer the posts already posted,you wouldn't be asking for the link again,I told you where I posted it #70 in "Greatest fear about trump" thread and I also provided a video in same thread that shows & explains how easy it is to manipulate the vote count---It has happened & continues to happen--
    "Except,on the periphery", You think for one minute the hackers are going to come right up to the point of breaching the managers data programs & then say, Ok,now that we know we can do it, we will pull out & go home! That is BS--If you want to continue wearing the rose colored glasses,I can't do anything about that,Hower I will continue to fight to keep a foreign country to stay the hell out of our election process----
     
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    Well, I actually do, however,one might learn something by doing their own research----just saying---
     
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    That being the case, you can actually provide a cite.
    Have at it.
     
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    Perhaps a little research on Tom Price might help in answereing the question on trump's money laundering----
     
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    What,are your fingers broken ?
     
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    As I thought - you do not have any idea whatsoever where the law says such a thing is illegal.
     
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    For Pete's sake! Did you get enough money together for another bottle of whiskey?

    Tom Price has never been accused of money laundering!
     
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    Thank you for continuing to prove my statement correct - you do not know where federal law prohibits it, and your save-face Google search didn't tell you.
    :lol:
     
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    http://portside.org/2017-06-20/trump’s-businesses-have-history-money-laundering-charges
    So, we will let you start by reading this ----
    Tom Price acts as trump's middle man-so, you can believe that Price's hands are clean,but then there would be a bridege in Jersey,Christie would sell you real cheap-You owe me a bottle of whiskey!
     
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    Without even reading your screed here, does it contain the word ''could''?

    If so, it's trash.
     
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