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Supreme Court to hear case of baker's refusal to make wedding cake for gay couple

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Professor Peabody, Jun 26, 2017.

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  1. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    The baker is refusing to participate in the gay wedding through his work.
    Your hypothetical with the doctor is a completely different matter.

    He, the baker, is not refusing to sell baked goods to gays because he disapproves of their life style.
    Try again.



    Never heard of a surgeon refusing to save a life because he disapproves of someone's life style.Poor example.
     
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  2. justonemorevoice

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    Because it's called a business not a business-for-those-with-my-beliefs.
     
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    In other words, why shouldn't people have the same rights as you do? (Pssst.... Businesses are people.)
     
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    I would consider him a major league ******* but I think he would be within his rights to do (or not do) business with whomever he wishes. I don't, however, think he'd be in business for very long after Facebook found out about his actions.
     
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    Pharmacists tried to not give people birth control and the morning after pill due to religion, and military chaplains can still refuse to do a same sex marriage even if the couple had a service specific service member or even two marrying so its not that much of a leap.
     
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    Did you see the key word there? Not life saving. Emergency.
     
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    So you figure if an atheist baker were to turn down the same job, he'd be SOL?
     
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    Which of these are life and death situations? Poor comparison to the surgeon...
     
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    Nope. Businesses should be free to refuse service to whomever they choose, at their own commercial peril.
     
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    If he's got the best track record, I doubt that I'd be able to afford him anyway, even with insurance. That aside, if I know he has something against what I am or do, why would I want him? Even I fully he didn't mess up intentionally, I could never be sure something subconscious wouldn't mess things up somehow. So the answer is yes. I would much rather shop around and find the best value for my dollar, and only I can determine that value.
     
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    The pharmacist are in the wrong if they are not the owner. When you agree to work for someone you agree to follow their rules, even if you disagree with them. And the one that refused to hand the prescription back was even worse since he then also engaged in theft.
     
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    In the Bible a guy could marry as many virgins as he could rape as long as he paid each of their fathers fifty shekels of silver.
     
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    The example is good. The issue isn't what someone would do, but what is their right to do. Someone who wants to be a doctor of any ily, is unlikely to turn away someone simply because they don't like some aspect of their life. That is a big part of a right. The ability to choose to use it or not.
     
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    Just remember that according to biblical rules a guy has to marry his brother's widow.
     
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    Doesn't he have to do that even if already married?
     
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    Why does all threads have to turn into Hitler/Jew threads? This is America, not Germany.
     
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  17. Professor Peabody

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    From what I've read he's served gays before and only refused to make a custom wedding cake for a gay couple married before it was legal in Colorado.
     
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    Depends on whether his religion (atheism) frown on gay marriage.
     
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    Priceless! I wish I could pay a greater 'homage' than merely giving a "like"....

    GAYSTAPO! That one word says it all!

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    Oh believe me you didn't.
     
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    What does the beart surgery have to do with the BJ?
     
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    Which means THEY cannot procreate, one of them has to procreate with someone else. And that means a child is brought into this world and purposely denied either a mother or a father in their life by adults putting themselves above the child. Why shiuld we encourage, promote and sanction that?
     
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    I obviously did, since I presented you with facts, and all you could counter with with claims of meaning changes.
     
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    You have this knack of talking about unrealistic things. If a child of straight parents who are divorced are not denied their mother or father, why would those of two gay parents who got together just to procreate be any different? And they would get the benefit of 3 or 4 parents instead of just two. I'm all for promoting more love and support in a child's life.
     
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    Because some heterosexuals do this too.

    And in order to deny same sex couples their right to marriage, the constitution requires you to demonstrate a state interest in the denial. That other types of marriages are good, is not a valid legal argument. It's why you lost in court.
     
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