Do you have a job? A credit card? A bank account? Any loans? A mortgage? Do you live in a home or rent? Who's renting to you without ID? Have you been to a doctor? Can't get past the waiting room without proving who you are. Or do you just show up at ERs and **** over everyone by walking out on the bill. How are you paying for your internet access? Free at Starbucks Explain how a person functions day to day without ID who isn't a degenerate leech?
How about Section 8 Housing? HUD apartment quarters? Welfare? SNAPS funding? ID REQUIRED. Kind of shoots their argument right in the ass.
I have job, multiple credit cards, health insurance and I rent my apartment. When I signed my lease, they asked me to fill out my personal information including social security number, bank account balance, proof of monthly income, but no photo ID required. No credit card has ever required me to provide a photo ID. Being hired on my job did require an ID, but they don't ask for me to show it daily. Every doctor visit I have had never asked for ID. They ask for a bunch of personal information and proof of insurance. I have lived in many states, and this has always been the case. So for applying for a job, I needed an ID, but unless you are constantly applying for jobs, you do not need an ID.
I have never been on those programs, but from people I know, they do not need a photo ID for use of those programs beyond applying for them. So how does this prove you need an ID for daily activities?
Congrats you are condescending. Maybe if you expanded your world view a bit more, you may understand the positions of others better.
Black people are obviously unable to live in this most racist of societies, since a photo ID is required to do any of the following: Purchase alcohol and/or cigarettes Open a bank account Apply for food stamps Apply for welfare Apply for medicaid / social security Apply for employment / unemployment Rent or buy a house, apply for a mortgage Drive / buy / rent a car Get on an airplane Get married Purchase a gun Adopt a pet Rent a hotel room Apply for a hunting / fishing license Buy a cell phone and/or a coverage plan Enter a casino Buy a lottery ticket Pick up a prescription Donate blood Buy an "M" rated video game or view an "NC-17" movie Purchase nail polish at CVS Purchase certain cold medications Oh, and perhaps the best one of all, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally to protest against the racist practice of requiring a photo ID to vote. Now go find a friend who has a photo ID and get marching, all you deprived black people!
Again, very few things in your list are daily activities. Some are incorrect or at least state specific. Others have loopholes. For example, I can go to a machine and buy lottery tickets without an ID or I can purchase a firearm from a private owner and I only need my firearms purchasing card (in NJ).
So you just toss out your photo ID after you get a job, a bank account or credit card. Every time I go to a new doctor the first thing they ask for is an insurance card and ID, which gets photocopied and put on file. Maybe it's FL or maybe I go to legit doctors. Do you go to witch doctors I can't recall ever going to a hotel without providing a drivers licence/photo ID. They won't take your CC without it. Do you go to hourly motels where cash is king? Do you fly? I guess there are ways around everything in life if you know how to play the system or don't actually contribute to society....degenerates.
The doctor's office, the urgent care, and the emergency room do not rquire ID. Yes, you need an ID for hotels and flying, but if we are talking about people who cannot afford an ID; why are they traveling? Furthermore, how is traveling a daily activity? Lastly, if I don't travel, how is that me not contributing to society? Sure, I am not helping tourism business, but if I am only traveling outside the US, I am not helping that business anyways. You seem quite angry and ready to call people degenerates. Are there some underlying self hatred issues? Maybe there are parts of your body you are not happy about? It could be many problems. You should probably seek some psychological help and not just randomly lash out at strangers on the internet.
Ok, let's limit ourselves to the top three, which I'm fairly sure are things that apply across the board, in every state. Apply for employment / unemployment Drive / buy / rent a car Get on an airplane So if you don't have a photo ID, you'll have a hard time earning a living, you'll have trouble getting around town, and you'll definitely have issues getting out of town. Can we agree on this?
Again, applying for employment or unemployment shouldn't be a daily activity. Have you ever lived in city? It us more convenient to not have a car. Many poor people cannot afford and use public transportation. How is flying a daily activity for poor people?
Not daily activities. But usually considered common activities. I suppose there are poor people living in cities who have no reason/desire to travel (other than via public transportation) and who are uninterested in seeking employment. And of course these poor people are politically active in the extreme, because they don't have much else to do but worry about casting a ballot. That right means so much to them that they can't be bothered having to take a photo to be used in an ID, huh? Yeah, that makes perfect sense...
Yep, keep avoiding the truth. You don't need an ID for daily activities. Once you have employment, a residence, bank account, and other necessary things, an ID is not needed. Also, I am sure many people would love to travel, but cannot afford it. Keep burying your head in the sand to hide from the outside world.
Uh, what? "Once you have employment, a residence, bank account ..."? The question is how do you obtain employment, a residence, a bank account? All of those require one to have a photo ID. What, you think a person gets those necessary things, then tosses the photo ID they used to do that? I'm trying to figure out if you're being intentionally daft, or if you think you're really making any sense...
Are you saying that you kept your Id after getting your first job? Well, that makes two of us. (Were such idiots, dragging around that useless piece of plastic for decades)
Apparently we're the only two people that didn't get the memo that we're supposed to toss our picture ID in the garbage once we get hired on at a company. I never realized how strange my keeping my photo ID in my wallet is. Go figure...
Now.. being honest. I haven't used mine since Saturday (Advil cold and sinus) before that it had been 4 weeks, car rental. My longest stretch has been maybe 5 months in my lifetime. That's a pure guess.
Calm your hostile tones, I am not against ids. I am for making id's easier to get and, if the government is going to require them, free because people should not have to give the government money for the right to vote . My concern here is the unsubstantiated claim that they are necessary to solve a problem that does not exist, voter fraud.
I show my State issued ID for picking up medications, banking, traveling on vacation you need it for lots of things and not having one although not in and of itself illegal does make operating in the 21st century kind of hard. I do think they need to be as flexible as possible and make getting one easy enough for citizens with as few hurdles as necessary but not getting one isn't something I can consider valid as an excuse for not voting since most people need and should have a valid ID.
So, you're Ok with the fact that a future Democratic Administration will have your personal information, as well as that of every American. They don't want to verify whether there is a problem or not. It's not the Federal Government's job to do that. The states have already verified that there isn't. It's just a way to help them develop voter suppression tactics. The GOP has shown how they can so easily squander taxpayer money "investigating" non-existent problems.
There are many factors that make getting something like a birth certificate a greater burden on poor people than wealthier people. Poor people are more likely to move more frequently and lose things (like a birth certificate) in those moves. Poor people are less likely to own a car - travel to get a photo ID costs money. If you don't have a birth certificate, you have to find out where you were born and how to contact where your were born - those tasks take time you may not have as you struggle to make ends meet. Studies were done and it was proven those without photo ID were disproportionately Black and hispanic, primarily because they were at the lowest income levels. This fact was used in GOP planning to devise voter ID laws knowing it would reduce voting by those the GOP has no interest in. I suggest - when you go to vote and sign your name, they take your picture and put it next to your name. Next time you go to vote, they find your name, look at the picture, and verify you are you. But, that doesn't cost the voter money, and voter ID laws are meant to be a poll tax.
Or the right to buy Advil? Or a gun? Or cash a check? Or collect benefits? Or drive a car Visit mother in the hospital Travel on an airplane Do those things also not exist? Very simple, anyone against voter ID is protecting voter fraud or they think black people are too stupid to get an I'd. Which is it?
