One big issue this Charlottesville event clarifies forever.

Seth, as a trained, experienced cop, I think you would agree that you were trained and required to be as neutral as possible. You tend to see this in terms of behavior, and you see both sides engaging in the fighting and both side acting in other ways in a similar fashion. In that frame pf trained mind you would be as neutral as possible to purposes, politics, and ideology. But that is my main focus. And consequently you and I come at it from different perspectives and with different interests, so we see it differently. Agree?

 

Well, I'm not interested in granting fascists any rights, including that of free speech.

 

I see where you're going with this, but isn't this First Amendment stuff? It's not the Mission Statement or organizational goals that are illegal. People put their manifestos on line all the time, and some of them are WAY out there (They are also probably clinically insane, so there's that.) Where Nazis have problems is they actually killed people, lots of people, because of their ethnicity, and nothing more. Even if this is some stupid group of immature kids pretending to take on some "shocking" ideology in their teen angst, identifying positively with a real murdering monsters and advocating the cause, it's not illegal. When they step over the line, take weapons to rallies, ram groups of people with an car, like ISIS, beat people with poles, they've broken the law.

Now, do I wish these groups didn't exist? Yeah, I do. I wish we tried harder to live up to the high ideals of our founding fathers, even though they were personally flawed. They had some really outstanding ideas, and they are worthy things for us to do. We are adults and need to act like adults, observe some common decency, debate for real, and actually solve problems, not just study them, talk about them, have meetings and make plans about how to solve them. We need to respect each other and respect life. We're never going to be there 100%, but we sure can do better than we're doing. Interest groups wouldn't necessary, if everyone was treated equally.

 

What makes my opinion informed is that I've read extensively on the history & ideology of Fascist movements all over the world. What you think is not relevant.

No, I'm simply relating the results of my considerable research. The fact that I've actually done some is far from a sign of 'inferiority'. I'll leave that to the ill informed who bluster about their opinions without having anything to back it up.

Fascism was a failure. Not just a little one, but a dramatic one. No society where it obtained power was better after it finished than before it started. The societies where it was most deeply entrenched - German y& Italy - were torn apart as a result of it. Feel free to provide actual examples to the contrary.

 

You are equating present-day White Nationalists with actual Nazis. Most White nationalists do not want to kill anyone.

 

Neo-Nazis.

stop defending them.

they hate you.

 

I'm not equating anything. There is an American Nazi party, and they follow the same manifesto as Adolph Hitler. Then there are also the KKK, White supremacists, White Nationalists, alt-right, and lots of other fringe groups that were at "Unite the Right."

It would probably benefit you to check the Vice News video on youTube and watch white nationalists say exactly what you say they don't want to do. Now, that being said, I don't believe that every single person participating in that march/ protest wants to kill people, but they knowingly associated themselves with others that do. That does not make them "fine people."

 

They killed a lot of people in EUROPE. In the US, not so much. The KKK hasn't killed anyone in like 35 years or something.

Regardless, it's not the actions of "white supremacists" that are causing them to be attacked, like in Charlottesville, it's their ideology.....and the ideology is no different than the Black Panthers or La RAza.

 

But who decides this though? You?

Also, you failed to answer my second question. Why is it that only informed opinions are to be shared?

I could also say this about the heap of dung that you call a post but that would not yield productive debate, would it?

It's "considerable" only by YOUR standards, which are pretty darn low, I am afraid.

Haha! I put you on the defensive.

I don't really care whether you think I am ill-informed. It won't stop me from airing my opinions. Two of them being that you are condescending and that you over-estimate your intellectual power.

I don't really care to convince you that fascism is good. All I wanted was the freedom to believe whatever I want to believe. And I was minding my own business peacefully until you barged into this thread and started telling me that I should not share my opinion with other people.

 

white supremacists have killed hundreds of people in the USA in the last 30 years

 

Well, I have been to Stormfront, and I was there for a considerable amount of time. To the best of my knowledge, very few of them wanted to kill anyone. I don't know what this Vice video is all about but lets say there are some people in there who actually say they want to kill minorities. In this case, my question is then, do they represent the whole group? They could be just the proverbial bad apples.

 

says someone who admires Hitler and would be a Nazi if she was white

 

Don't you have better things to do than follow me around all over the boards?

 

dont you have better things to do than to defend Neo-Nazis, who hate you?

 

Jews like to answer a question with another question.

 

bigots love to race bait

 

It is clear most people don't understand fascism. It is not ascribed to one side or the other. Anyone can become a fascist.

 

I noticed that you didn't deny following me around.

 

As I expected. Nothing to back up your opinion. As predictable as a sunrise. Back to the short bus for you.

 

In other words, "I have no response. Wah wah wah."

 

I condemn those alt-right fascists 100%.....I also condemn the alt-left fascists at Berkley (and elsewhere) that used violence to shut down Milo's (and his would-be audience's) right to free speech.

 

It's not illegal to be a fascist or a communist in America. It is not illegal for them to spew their vile rhetoric unless they promote the overthrow of the government or get violent. I would really urge you to think more and maybe attack the problem by trying to prove the WH are actively trying a coup or something like that which could do far more to eradicate the WH than trying to shut down free speech.

You do know that there is no free speech when one refuses to grant it to that speech with which one does not agree because, 'you' have granted a precedence to those who disagree with 'you.'

Also, I would urge you to look at the reason why these thugs were able to get away with they did in a largely Democrat-ruled State government. Write Terry McAyulliffe and ask him why he allowed this disgusting display of violence from BOTH sides. They do not represent America.

 

That's obviously nonsense. You saw no lefties siding with the Nazis in Charlottesville. Fascism is a right wing phenomenon. Mussolini said so.

 

So the only criterion for determining whether someone is a fascist is whether Mussolini said so?

 

Today my state senators issued a statement:

"SALEM – Sens. Peter Courtney, D-Salem, Ginny Burdick, D-Portland, and Ted Ferrioli, R-John Day, released the following statement today in response to the recent wave of hate and violence in the United States: “There is no place for hate, violence and intolerance in our state or anywhere else. White supremacist organizations and other hate groups have no place in a free, just and peaceful society."​