Is the NRA partially to blame for the Charlottesville violence?

I've personally never carried an AR-15 in public. Is an AR-15 a more effective firearm than a handgun for self defense in open areas?

 

So you're afraid to be in an open area in America? Was Charlottesville an open area?

 

An AR15 is a far more effective firearm than a handgun. I do not endorse carrying one in public but as a home defense gun, it is one of the best available.

 

I've never open carried at all, other than hunting and competition, and yes, I believe most of the activity in Charlottesville took place outside, not indoors.

We're discussing the possible motivations of the Oath Keepers and others for open carrying AR-15s. I proposed that one such reason might be if you are going to open carry, you might want to be as effective as possible if it becomes necessary to use your weapon, which thankfully did not occur. An AR-15 is a more effective weapon and any handgun.

 

Well, his position is based on facts and logic. Your decision to denigrate a civil rights organization, on the other hand....

 

You like to try and characterize any use of firearms as being about "fear." This is a characterization common to those who find the idea of self-defense distasteful and want to rationalize away the very possibility.

What a lot of people in this discussion forget: they want to claim that threatening speech is itself "violence" and as such they are justified in using physical violence to stop the "rhetorical violence" of those they oppose. Ironically, these are often the selfsame people who tend to advocate for the forcible disarmament of the American people through draconian gun control.

Sometimes, carrying a long gun in public is not about fear, but about making a statement. Frankly, sometimes I think it's a statement that needs to be made to those who think it's okay to threaten violence against anyone who doesn't agree with them.

 

A friend of mine was at Charlottesville; with a "Patriot" group who went in full kit. His group was made up exclusively of military veterans, and was made up of a full mix of individuals including just under 50% Black (my friend is black). Seeing as how they were seeking to act as a buffer against violence between two different groups - Neo-Nazis and white nationalists who would no doubt be offended by the idea of armed minorities, and Antifa who think anybody who doesn't support their extremist agenda is a Nazi - the idea of being fully armed with elite grade weapons makes perfect sense.

 

Perhaps there is some common ground. Do you think we should disarm law enforcement officers, armored car guards? Where do we draw the line?

 

My how desperate the proggies have become.

Who was really to blame for Virginia? Antifa, BLM, and the "progressives".

 

No such claim was ever made. Only that is has not been proven that those who were carrying AR-15 carbines in public, were doing so because of a compelling need.

 

Once again. None of which goes on to actually prove that those who were openly carrying AR-15 carbines at the protest, were doing so out of need. No evidence, none whatsoever, of either need, nor of even paranoia. There is nothing to go on but your word, and your word alone, which is of limited value in this discussion. In simple, uncomplicated, easy to understand terms, the claim being presented on the part of yourself is baseless.

If there is actual evidence possessed on the part of yourself, to prove that these individuals were compelled by genuine, legitimate need, then present it.

Once again, a claim being made without anything whatever that resembles actual evidence.

 

Which, once again, does not even attempt to answer the question that was presented. It will be asked again. And it will continue to be asked, until such time that an answer is provided.

There are videos showing that black individuals have become violent, to the point of committing physical assault, simply because a white person chose to refer to them as being a n****r. Does this constitute fighting words? Or is it more accurately a lack of self control on the part of those hearing offensive language?

Answer the question as it was presented to you. Is calling a black person a n****r an example of fighting words or not? It is a yes or no question.

 

Ha ha, carrying an AR15 around for no reason is threatening violence.

 

McAuliffe has been busted for lies and exaggerations over an incident he helped instigate.Yes , the OathKeepers were there and no one bothered them ...they were only there to act if deadly force was used.They broke no laws and menaced no one.I have to wonder if you are paid by the hour or by the post for these propaganda posts.

 

Interesting. What would happen if someone did it twice?

 

no...but the left wing dems and liberals do..they go by different names...BLM, Antifa, La Raza...

 

There's no need for this BS.

 

' Dallas last year, the guns did.'...yeah...and who was doing the shooting?.....

 

Free trip to Cuba, or would you take direct action at someone who wasn't actually breaking the law?

 

Those poor, scared bystanders. If they weren't concerned, perhaps you're overly concerned.

 

Pray tell how so? How is the carrying of an AR-15 specifically, an act of threatening violence, but the carrying of any other firearm is not? Explain the reasoning behind such.

Does the photograph in question demonstrate even a single person being in fear over the presence of AR-15 carbines? If the firearm in question is nothing but a threat to violence, why are so many individuals standing in close proximity to them, and showing absolutely no signs of concern over their presence?

 

I'll be as concerned as I want to be.

 

What exactly are you saying? You'd violently attack someone legally armed with an AR-15? How would you win that fight? Would you attack someone open-carrying a handgun? Multiple handguns? A sniper rifle? Where is that line drawn for you?

Where is "around here", just so the Oath Keepers can be safe?

 

For what reason? Who exactly is going to stop someone from legally doing such? Are there laws against the open carrying of firearms in your location? Are your law enforcement officers subject to poor impulse control, and likely to kill anyone and everyone they see in possession of a firearm, even when the possession is legal? Will those legally carrying firearms openly be arrested, charged, and convicted of some vague offense? Do you yourself intend to take some course of action against those who are legally carrying firearms in the area in which you live?

 

*crickets*