Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

"Right" or "wrong" cannot be determined by "majority vote", although lazy thinkers like to believe this.

 

And that is where the veto power comes in. And the United States who frequently uses it to protect Israel on all kinds of occasions, is not using it on this issue. Hence we accepted the right and wrong is determined by the UN, the UNSC and the international court of Justice. Israel accepts this, since they are part of it. And they judged Israel is wrong. Clear and simple.

 

It would be, to a nonthinker.

 

And one can also clearly see that they through their aggressiveness bring hostilities unto themselves.

 

Victimization taught them to be more self protective. In Germany, they were too docile and civilized to protect themselves, and look what happened. IMO they will never make that mistake again.

 

Tell me how veto power complies with your argument of a majority vote determine the right and wrong.

 

Look at my maps. It seems you are showing the map of Palestine before the 1967 war:

 

Oh yeah, kibbutzes aren't socialist....

Zionism is for the establishment of a Jewish state - the very concept of "Jewish state" is nationalist - that's exactly what nationalism is!

To falsely suggest, as you have, that they were satisfied with a sizeable community in the Levant shows that you yourself see the evil of their founding proposition.

Zionism has everything to do with Nazism, they are merely different sides of the same coin. Nazism, however, went unchecked and was lead by a psychopath.

 

Oh I get it:

Kibbutzes
+
Jewish state (25% minority population with all citizenship rights and own official state language)
=
NAZISM

Did you come up with this formula all by yourself? Cause I am telling you, it's brilliant Jeez

 

Yawn, not this long debunked sh*t again. Arabs did not own the green area on the 1946 map, not even half of it. And Israel does not own the white area on the "Now" map. The lies, dishonesty and stupidity of the Islamonazi/liberal/Neo-Nazi anti-Israel alliance is well reflected in these maps.

Here is the real map:

 

They stood for the same policies, just for different groups and in different extremes.

 

Oh, Rachel Corrie was elevated to journalist status post mortem too. Like many, many, many others. Shall we search under the festive innocent-white tablecloths on desks set on high propagandist platforms?

Yes we shall.

Before I begin

Disgusted you will be, but not with my explanation.

First thing when I saw the list was to do something you should have done, but didn't. I googled the first name. Surprise, surprise? Maybe for you. I wasn't surprised at all.

Shehab was killed on July 9. This is the caption of a Gettyimages photo:
Palestinian relatives of Hamed Shehab, a 28-year-old militant of the Fatah movement killed in an Israeli air strike, mourn during his funeral in Jabalia in the northern Gaza Strip, on July 10, 2014.

Militant of the Fatah movement, then...not a civilian journalist.

Of course you could claim that there were two Arabs named Hamid Abdullah Shehab - one killed on July 9, the other on July 10. I'm a few steps ahead of you. I checked the list published by al-Akhbar. There's only one Hamid, on July 9. The Fatah member. Even the original list in Arabic names him as a driver, not a journalist. Pfftt.

Number two was described by the Kuweitian newspaper Alrai (alrai.com, July 10 2015) as "disseminating news on Facebook accounts as a volunteer". Not exactly a journalist. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt though, because I can't verify the information about the article in Alrai. It's very hard to search google in Arabic for someone who's clueless about the language. I trust my source, but I can't ask you to trust it, so let's say that we need a translator to check my source. This is true for some of the names, not for all. Let's concentrate on the other names.

Abdullah Fadel Mortaja stars in a video produced by the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades. The video is still online at Dailymotion.


Journalist or not, Mortaja was clearly an enemy combatant, not a civilian. His place is not on that list.

To be continued.

 

Right... which leads me right back to where we started - Israel is a Nazi state according to you:

- minus concentration camps, gas chambers, totalitarianism, fascism, wars to conquer the world...basically minus all attributes of Nazism

+ plus democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, independent judiciary, 2 official languages, one man one vote, the right to elect and be elected...basically all attributes of a western democracy

 

I did not say Israel was equal to the Nazi state, I said Zionism is the closest surviving movement to Nazism.

Israel has an internal conflict between the Western ideals for which it stands and the Zionist foundation on which it stands.

I know enough of Israel to have confidence in its rule of law. It is nonetheless forcibly expanding its territory in the stereotypical nationalist-socialist tradition. The socialist pressure to provide opportunities for the national populace inevitably leads to the acquisition of territory belonging to other nationals. That's why nationalist-socialist movements are so dangerous.

The forced transfer of land from Arabs to Jews is a parallel to the forced asset stripping of the Jews by the Nazis.

 

Yeah, according to your posts kibbuts and "Jewish state" makes it the closest thing to Nazism. Duh

Not any more than the US and western Europe... at any rate, internal conflicts don't Nazi country make, gas chambers totalitarianism, persecution of the opposition, wars to conquer the world do.

except of course that Israel returned 99% of the land it conquered in decensive wars against overwhelming forces committed to wiping it off the map. Israel proudly sits on whopping 0.15% (1/6th of 1%) of the regional land. Damn those expansionist zionist nazis, that's 0.15% too many.

 

Re:

More & more educated & honest individuals, Jews & non Jews, are seeing the same reality:

"Gaza is a concentration camp, and it’s an American delusion not to recognize that"
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/concentration-delusion-recognize/
EXCERPT "Lawrence Weschler, a writer of considerable mainstream prestige, is sick of prevaricating about Israel. It’s rabid. It has rabies. And Gaza is a concentration camp. Weschler has let loose chiefly because of the “remorseless” and “repetitively compulsive” aspect of Israeli violence. I believe that understanding is now widely shared in the liberal mainstream, and interventions like Weschler’s make it easier for others to speak up."CONTINUE

 

I don't hate overachievers nor can I think of anyone who does.

Israel is grossly unpopular not for what it is but for what its government does.

By the way, much of Israel's "success" is stolen from the US:

"ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html
EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate.

The intelligence agencies didn’t go into specifics, the former aide said, but cited “industrial espionage—folks coming over here on trade missions or with Israeli companies working in collaboration with American companies, [or] intelligence operatives being run directly by the government, which I assume meant out of the [Israeli] Embassy.” CONTINUED

AND

"Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style"
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/

EXCERPT "That is the significant advantage that Israel has gained by systematically stealing American technology with both military and civilian applications. The US developed technology is then reverse engineered and used by the Israelis to support their own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs, giving them a huge advantage against American companies.

Sometimes, when the technology is military in nature and winds up in the hands of a US adversary, the consequences can be serious. Israel has sold advanced weapons systems to China that are believed to incorporate technology developed by American companies, including the Python-3 air-to-air missile and the Delilah cruise missile."CONTINUED


The world could use more overachievers, not Zionist spies & land thieves

 

No. Israel is grossly unpopular because its full of Jews and for no other reason.

Speaking of overachievers, did you know, Jews have assassinated 6 US presidents and withhold cure for Cancer and AIDS? It's true, listen to this Jordanian expert:

http://www.memri.org/player/clip/37274/1/1/card?autoplay=1

Bad, bad Jews

 

Well... one more war of aggression against Israel ought to do it

 

Well my friend, this won't come as a surprise but I disagree with:

Why do you think so many Jews are leaving the relative security of a Jewish state for lands in which you apparently feel they are less secure:
"As many as 1 million Israelis have left for the U.S"
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/many-million-israelis/

EXCERPT "“Can Israel bring home its 1 million US Expats?” was the headline on an article in the Jerusalem Post 3 weeks ago; and it has gotten very little attention, though the article states bluntly that as many as 1 million Israelis are now living in the U.S." CONTINUED

According to both articles, mondoweiss & the Jerusalem Post, more Jews are leaving Israel than moving there. If genuine anti Semitism were as globally rampant, (i.e. the reason the world hates Israel) wouldn't those Jews be more secure in Israel ?

 

That's easy. While most Jews, in Israel and elsewhere are very Patriotic toward Israel, some prefer not to be the target of Palestinian knife attack; yet others would prefer for their children not to serve in the military, be it IDF or US or any other. And yet there are these who'd consider Israel to be way too close to volatile Arab countries.

I can give you other reasons, but these should account for most Israeli expatriates.

As for rampant anti Semitism, the US is still the country where it does not happen very often.

There.

 

Are you checking if anyone of your discussion partners is awake??
I just happened to stroll by and couldn't help noticing the ballony.
In 1947 Israel received 56% of the whole of Palestine. Since then they have systematically annexed more land either by force (1967 war) or by theft and occupy now about 80+% of Palestinian land... just as is shown on the map above.
Also, it is very obvious that Israel has occupied the total boundaries to the West Bank, making it impossible for Palestinians to even enter the whole of what is left. A two-state solution has been made impossible, and that has been Israel's aim from the start.

 

Why don't you take the entire Sinai which Israel returned to Egypt in exchange for a piece of paper into account? Here is your 99% of land conquered in defensive wars that Israel returned. Lest we forget Lebanon etc

And Israel was willing to return land to Arafat in exchange for peace, too bad Arafat walked away.

Learn history Jazz to avoid being schooled znd embarrassed in public forums.

 

It is you who should "...learn history..." & stop shilling Hasbara nonsense.

The Israel / Palestine conflict is far simpler than obfuscated by this forum's glut of Hasbara Trolls.

Until 1880, Palestine was only 2% - 4% Jewish.
Over the decades, FOREIGN Zionist Terrorist Gangs & FOREIGN militant Colonists forcibly seized virtually all of Palestine with the aid of the Colonial Powers until what is left is only the Gaza concentration camp & the shattered West Bank.

The language of early ultraNationalist, Zionist Terrorists prove that they had no intention of sharing the land:

"Zionist Quotes"
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Zionist Quotes.htm

""[We Zionists will] spirit the penniless population across the border [of the Jewish state] by denying it employment ... Both the process of expropriation [theft of land] and the removal [ethnic cleansing] of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."—Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the racist expulsion of Palestinian Arabs, in his diary on June 12, 1895"

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Israel's system of apartheid, ethnic cleansing and brutal repression of Palestinians begins with the "Iron Wall" dogma of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, as explained by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who once said, “We all grew up as faithful to the doctrine of Jabotinsky." Jabotinsky was the spiritual father of the Likud, and he was a staunch advocate of "transfer" or ethnic cleansing.

"The Islamic soul must be broomed [swept, ethnically cleansed] out of Eretz-Yisrael."—Ze'ev Jabotinsky, spiritual father of the Likud

"Arabs must make room for Jews. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to TRANSFER the Palestinians."—Jabotinsky

"If we desire that Israel should become and remain a Jewish State, we must first of all create a Jewish majority [by expelling Arabs.]"—Jabotinsky"CONTINUED

What part of : "...TRANSFER the Palestinians." are you unable to understand.

 

Here's the passage from Peel Commission report, and I'll let it speak for itself, without my comments:

"The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews."