More Holes in Russia-gate Narrative

^ Thread win #2.

 

Well, it's easier from the inside, and the OP article claims the DNC was hacked by an insider. (The authors are ex-NSA/CIA.)

But the motivation to blame an outside agent, and one the Deep State desires war with, is too great.

Thus we have a sham investigation - a witch hunt - which refuses to ask even the most basic questions of the right people.

It's a low point for our republic, and it appears driven by the darkest, basest forces of ignorance, hatred and cynical political avarice.

 

Margot2 said:

Mueller and Comey are NOT friends.. Just workplace aquaitances.. Mueller has a long standing reputation for being a straight arrow... unlike Trump.. It will all come to light.

Interesting.

Snip:

The two men [Comey and Mueller] go way back, says former Assistant U.S. Attorney Sidney Powell, author of "Licensed to Lie" and an authority on prosecutorial misconduct. "As colleagues and close friends they stood shoulder to shoulder during a firestorm Comey created over the surveillance program in the Bush administration. Then Comey followed Mueller to head the FBI. They have both been prosecutors in various positions in the Department of Justice and United States attorneys' offices. Even CNN reports that they 'have a history.'"

She adds: "Indeed Comey has a checkered history of prosecutorial grandstanding and wrongful prosecutions," noting they are both "inextricably entwined with Andrew Weissmann" now a member of Mueller's investigative team and former leader of the much-maligned Enron Task Force.

 

The investigation seems to have expanded far beyond any Russian tampering as data has been uncovered and circumstances evolved, which is how an investigation functions. Likely there will be aspects of the results than involve Russian influence but this will also be tied to the financial situations revealed. I expect much of this to be RICO related and involve state AG's when pardon attempts are made, Meuller is well known for dotting his I's and anticipating before releasing which is why he usually wins.

 

1) According to the OP article, the hack was a DNC inside job.
2) Good question, and of course not, as you know.
3) Great question; the selective outrage here is absurd.
4) This isn't about our security - cyber or otherwise. It isn't anything but a vicious, politically motivated witch hunt and attack on our republic. It will stop when the witch hunters are shamed into stopping.

 

He's dotting things SO carefully that he hasn't even asked to talk to Assange!

THAT is some seriously selective witch hunting.

 

How is it you know what and who is being questioned in an investigation that has no leaks?

 

How do you know this while no one else does?

 

Bottom line: a witch hunt destructive to our republic is occurring because Clinton lost, and the _________ refuse to understand the REAL reasons, preferring their echo chamber of blameless virtue.

 

Assange has said that he has not been contacted by Mueller.

Are you saying that he's lying?

 

SMPP

 

Influence happens.

It's a game played by everyone everywhere.

 

One rule for the Clintonists, different rules for everyone else...

 

There are two parts to the Russia story.
1 - Russian interference in the democratic process - by hacking American email servers, releasing that information through Wikileaks, fake news, using social media etc. The fact that Russia did this is confirmed, with certainty, by the intelligence communities. What is unclear is how this may have affected the outcome of the election. Trump and his supporters don't like to hear this because he thinks it delegitimises his victory. But the underlying facts are clear - this did happen. It has nothing to do with collusion.
2 - Potential collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign - so far, there is no hard evidence that this happened (that has been made public). There is some evidence that could be seen to be consistent with this, but could equally be consistent with no collusion. I am not convinced that there was active and intentional collusion by the Trump campaign (although there might have been from some individuals). It is possible that some people were naive and may have been on their way to becoming unwitting pawns for Russia.

Mueller is undoubtedly investigating both aspects. He may find that #2 didn't happen. Many Trump supporters conflate the two, and will decide that if #2 didn't happen, #1 didn't happen either. All because they don't want any doubt cast on the legitimacy of his victory.

Well, I've got news for you Trumpsters. Russia did interfere. That does cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory. That doesn't change the fact that he is president.

 

I am saying you seem to know much about the details of this investigation.

 

If that analysis is correct, it is possible Awan is the one who stole the emails. I haven't heard much since his arrest.

 

And yet another Russian Bot

 

How long has this nothing burger been going on? The folks who believe this are making the birthers look sane.

 

Russia made you vote for Trump?

 

I now know what Hillary's reset button was for. She wanted to reset back to the Cold War.

 

1) Key phrase "According to the OP article". No doubt some info may have been gathered from inside sources, but there was also the hacking of email accounts. Many people had pointed out the weaknesses of Hillary's exclusive use of her private email account months before Wikileaks.
2) Agreed. However, the Russians seem the most aggressive about it due to their rage at the US for standing against Putin's attempt to rebuild the USSR by rolling tanks into former satellite countries.
3) This is a specific instance, but the war continues.
4) Disagreed. Cyber security is very important. There's also the point about intent. If someone takes a shot at you and misses, should you let it go because they missed? or, like me, would you be pissed and make a point about it? While I agree on "witch hunts", which in this case is 90% political payback, the national security of the United States is written into the Constitution and our government should do everything in it's power to preserve our security.

 

Doubtful. She was doing that to look tough. What Hillary wanted to was make us look more like the USSR as a socialist nation. Ban guns, max taxes and a ruling Politburo to tell us all what to do, what to think and what to believe. She'd push hard until all of us screamed "I love Big Brother!"

 

Yes, that's only a little insane. But, let's grant the "possibility." Where is your evidence? Yeah, we all thought so...

Desperate much?

 

The NYT ended up with access to Trump emails.

Have the Trumps and RNC turned over access to their computers to the FBI?

HMMMMMMM??????

Just one more reason to, as you say...trust.

 

Document it or admit you are a liar.

I'm good either way.