Let's study the islamic scriptures and the life of Muhammed together.

In light of the New Testament, the OT is irrelevant except as contrast. It illustrates what a nightmare human life can be without the NT teachings.

 

I rather like the vision of the cathare about that. They were pretty far of christian and surprising way had some elements of hinduism/buddhism in their believing.

They thought that the world was created by the bad god, the god of material, when the spiritual world was created by the good god. The OT was the work of the bad god when Jesus was sent by the good god. Human were sentenced to live an eternal cycle of reincarnation, as animals or human being, either male or female until they knew the illumination. Some thought that men were equal as women, when some other though in a mysoginistic way that the final incarnation had to be male.

 

The Saudi people hate ISIS because ISIS kills them.

 

When so many people do it, than you can only judge it as a popular thing to do.

 

Have you forgotten that Jesus was an observant Jew? He didn't write the NT.

 

I'm asking you to prove this, because the personal opinion of a self admitted islamofobe is not worth crap.

Who is meant with "them"? What is ment with blow with his right hand?
Context please.

It says those who believe in battle.
What does it say about people who do NOT believe in battle?
Context please.

Who is meant with "them"?
Context please.

You can go compare words all you want. You got zero interpretation.

Who is meant with "we... have not neglected" Who is this we?
Context please.

It doesn't mention that this was right, now does it?

You are not Allah, so you can forget context.

As I showed you. It doesn't come with any context again and again. And you, an self proclaimed proud Islamofobe are falsely adding it with your... look they struck this Aicha in the chest.... omitting any reference that it gets any approval.

The context of my source does justify things. Since you, as an self proclaimed Islamofobe, refuse to accept it.... every time.... and think you know it best. But you are no scholar. Far from it.

No they don't.

You support ethnic cleansing of Muslims. And it's done by raping, murder and burning people's private property. Because that is how it's done. It's not done like "could you please move" and than they respond like "fair enough, lets go".

Its promoted by the Christian/Jewish west. Where do you think the weapons are coming from?

 

You must be talking about a culture other than the US, then--unless you live in a crime-infested slum.

 

The NT was, however, based on his teachings.

 

No. I'm talking about the American culture. You know,... that country that locked the most people behind bars, overall numbers and % wise, mass shootings every day. Savages.

 

So--savages are not to be locked up if you say so?

IMO you should own the fact that it is your segment of US society that is savage and abusive--by your own claim that woman beating is an habitual pastime.

It's not surprising statistically more of your segment get locked up.

 

I can't recall Jesus ever teaching original sin or that his mother was a virgin.

 

Try this http://road2paradise.weebly.com/jesus-test.html

 

The context of the verses about the conduct of war is defensive war...

 

Not exactly... The NT was written many decades after the crucifixion.

 

So, given it is dependent upon state law, what are the states where 12 year olds can marry? I am just curious. Here in the deep south, in my state, it used to be so, for the girl, but that was long ago. My great aunt was married when she was 14, in alabama back in the early 20th century, 1915 or thereabouts, but it was not that common even back then.

I was just thinking about Islam and Christianity. One can read the lslamic texts and justify radical islam. OTOH, there is no way to read the revelations of christ and justify the history of the Church. So, that is one major difference between the two religions. If Islam had the same tenets as what christ taught, they could not commit these acts that they have done, justifying them. And yet for almost 2000 years, man was forbidden to do what they did in the name of God, and yet did them anyway with the RCC fully behind their great evil.

One thing about Islam, is that it is perfectly fine for muslims to lie, in order to deceive the infidel, and so one should be rather hesitant to believe what any muslim tells you. If you are non muslim. It is therefore best, to just make it a goal to read the Koran, so that you know what muslims believe in. For like the ancient Jews, the Koran lays it out as to how one should behave, including dietary laws, and the treatment of non muslims. While Christians use the 10 Commandments from the OT, their book is primarily the NT, not the old. This is where their guidance comes from. And there is little commonality between the teachings of christ and what Mohammed taught. In fact there is great incoherence between the NT and what christ taught, and the Koran and what Mohammed taught. Which means if you believe both books are from God, one of them is badly wrong. Personally I think it is the Koran. The Koran and many muslims have much more in common with ancient Judaism, than Christianity. This is obvious.

 

*Islamophobe.

I was quoting the other verse of the quran where the word "daraba" was used to show that the verse who justify to beat your wife couldn't mean something else as you pretended it.

If you need interpretation to understand you shouldn't kill or beat your wife, your holy book is crappy/

The author of the quran himself, Allah.
(Passage where Allah is designed as author of the https://quran.com/6/19
Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him].")

I was answering to the link you gave me. On the website you linked, the author pretended that all muslims have to imitate the prophet, and pretended that they were no hadith where Muhammed beat one of his wife. I showed the opposite, I answering to the argument of the author.

The quran doesn't pretend to need any context/

*Islamophobe. I don't care of the context you quote, a lot of muslims don't care either. If you need a ph.D in your religion to understand that "kill people" mean love them, maybe your religion have a deep problem.

No luck ! I still know more about islam than 99% of kufar. Furthermore, most muslims aren't scholar too and even guys with a ph.d un islamic religion don't understand the religion fully because he became the leader of ISIS. Furthermore there is tons of sheikh who justify the attrocities of jihad.

No. You can expulse people without raping or killing them, it happened already in history, for instance when german were expelled from territories after WW2 or when french colonist where expulsed from north africa.
Furthermore, for someone who support the murderer of the banu qurayzan, it's ironic you lecture me about that. Muhammed split the throats of prisonner of wars and sold their wives and children as slaves, and you're speaking about "ethnic cleansing".

And who do you think buy the weapons, kill the people and drops the bomb : Saudi arabia, host of the most sacred monuments of Islam. What's next step ? You will blame the hindu genocide in bangladesh on china because they sold the steel who composed the knives ?

 

...Missing the core point, again. Nice deflection, though.

 

Furthermore, for the moment, I answered only to the question :

Is Islam feminist ?

I did it by speaking mainly of the verse 34 of the surate 4. I have shown that the quran support a vision of a woman inferior and submissive to men, and furthermore encourage to beat your wife. To the argument that daraba meant something else than hitting someone physically, I quoted other verses of the quran where daraba is using without any doubt in the sense of hitting someone physically.

I have many points I wish to speak about again :
Does the quran let muslims have non muslim friends ?
Why some muslims won't salute you first ?
Does the quran let muslim being totally citizen of a non muslim country ?
What may happen to muslims who want to stop being muslims ?
Did Muhammed appreciate criticism ?

One additionnal :
What should you do to a 5 YO starving girl if she stole an apple and you listen the quran ?

And by the way :
Does Islam encourage violence ?

I would probably speak of this point at the end because it's the because it's the most vast one.

I forgot one very important : in the Quran, who pretend to be the author of this book ?

I regret to not have spoke about that point first. It's one of the most important.

 

Actually, you know nothing at all about Islam... or Saudi Arabia. You should get out more.

 

Sheesh. amputation for theft is only for those convicted three times of grand larceny.. I told you that you don't know anything about Islam.

 

Can you quote any hadith or quran verse to justify your saying ? You need to bring more proves.

The quran just say you should cut the hand to the male and the female thief, without specifing any age or restriction.

Too bad your unable to argue better, because I know more about islam than many kufr. I'm rather persuasive, and when another kufr speak with me about Islam, I convince him often that Islam is a bad religion. Because I'm charming ? Far from it, because I justify my saying with quotes of hadith and of the quran.

If you want to argue on that topic, do it with quran verses, you don't seems to like the hadith.

 

Nope, you have internet hate site versions of Islam... which is fairly typical. Nearly all of the 60,000 Hadiths came out of Persia 200 years after the death of Muhammed.

 

You're still unable to quote any verse of the quran to justify your saying. I quote quran verses from the website quran.com, it's not a hate site, it's made by muslims.
The arguments I was the most sensible of were former muslims, not really anti arabic nazis.

You can't call them as much you want hate site, they have solid arguments. I want better arguments if you want I change my opinion.

 

Ex Christians do the same thing ...

What's your pay off in trashing a religion that you know nothing about and a people you know nothing about?

 

I don't know nothing. My knowledge is maybe incomplete, but I'm far from knowing nothing. I'm not by the way a cheikh.

You're still not quoting any quran verse to justify your sayings.

What's my pay ?

In too many muslim attacks, my relative, my family, the people the most precious for me could have been killed. They're the most precious things I have on earth. Too many times, muslims opposed them to arts and music, and I vowed my life to arts and music in almost religious way.

I believed during a long time the official version in Europe about muslim terrorism :

ISIS and Al-qaeda have nothing to do with Islam. I believed that lie. Then I red about Islam and changed my mind.

I believe that Islam have to been destroyed by the words so my family can be safe and the arts can be protected.