Was the confederacy of the U.S. worse than the Nazis?

My point in this is not to have a competition, but rather a comparison. The efforts in America to whitewash and legitimize the confederacy need to stop. It was done at the time for peace, but we need to realize that racist heritage is a blight on our nation and its effects still linger to this day. The confederate armies should be seen as traitorous and immoral for their actions and motivations.

 

But death toll is not the only way things have hashed out. The Jews in Germany after the war were not denied education, marriage, and even the ability to participate in government. They have been allowed to prosper, which is great and as it should be. However the black community has been continually oppressed and diminished as much as possible. They have had to fight for their rights much harder than the Jews after the war. Even though that is not death, it is a horror that has an effect that has caused a much bigger racial division than the division between Christians and Jews.

 

The Democratic party should be disbanded. They are the party of slavery and Jim Crow.

 

Oh gimme a break From the pogroms in Russia to the refusal of most European countries to allow Jews to own land, the prejudice against Jews still exists today. Even under Jim Crow, African Americans still managed to economically prosper, some even growing quite wealthy. Next time the NAACP has it's annual meeting watch the opening act lawyers in Gucci loafers and 1000 dollar suits and wives in designer dresses, rich as Midas and all yelling how racism. which is largely a figment of their imagination these days, is holding them back. Most of them are in that top five percent.

 

So your evidence that racism doesn't exist is the clothing the NAACP wears? You do realize they are probably not even a percent of a percent of the black community, right? By your logic there are no poor white people because Donald trump wears nice suits. It is a lot more in depth than that. There is systematic oppression that comes from a time when blacks were not equalled to whites. News are allowed to prosper and this oppression is not there for them. We do it here in America under the guise of confederate pride, and it has caused far more damage to us and the world than horrors of the holocaust and we are pretending that they are just noble gentlemen who happened to want more powerful state's laws. In reality they wanted to have slavery when the federal government said no and that made some people try to attack America because they wanted to establish a superior white race.

 

I didn't say racism doesn't exist or never existed just that it is far more rare now and that a lot of it is anti Caucasian. If you are an African American you get an automatic 5 point bonus on civil service exams, Minority owned business get preferential treatment on many government contracts. (And lord how that one gets abused.) There are a lot of other examples as well, and if you heard the term affimative action hire used the way I have you also question whether it was actually helping African Americans or not. In many ways affirmative action has undermined the very real achievements over the years of its existence.

And that's not even close to my argument.here.

 

Superman/Batman?

Superman every time

 

True that the Russian Communists ( and ChiComs) killed more that the Nazis but that is like arguing whether crisp smells worse than Fecal matter.

 

Was the confederacy of the U.S. worse than the Nazis?
One of the most ignorant questions I have ever seen. I read it slowly several times and wiped away a tear.

 

It has tons of merit. You're just sympathetic to communism so you don't want to implicate it in anything historically evil.

 

The large plantations comprising the bulk of the slaveholders is a myth. They comprised less than 10%.
Almost half the people who were slaveowners held 1 to 5 slaves, overwhelming majority less than 10 slaves.

Here's a sobering statistic regarding the Southern slavocracy:

Nearly one half of the population of the Confederacy were either slaves or slaveowners.

Really hits ya on the bonkers when you view it in those terms.

 

I think the majority agree with that, and our country has come leaps and bounds from those days.

 

Your dates are wrong

Your numbers are wrong.

 

There is an 'about; there because the dates are uncertain but 1950 is a typo should have been 1970. And if anything they are a bit high on the African American side. Not every one lynched in the US between 1865 and the present was African American, not by a long stretch,in fact it varied drastically by almost all of those lynched in the Old West were Caucasian. There were also a few Chinese and Mexicans to be sure but the higher percentage was Caucasian by far. Most of those in fact the overwhelming Majority in the Old South were black. By the way if I'm wrong and I cheerfully admit that my memory isn't what it once was, you should have no trouble producing a correction beyond you're wrong.

 

Irrelevant. The treatment of both black folk and of the indigenous peoples of the North American continent was american not just southern confederate, and the issue is the societal economic and political system. And that's why the fundamental issue remains with us today. We still have a corporate for profit prison system with convict labor leasing and the police (and wannabe cops) still murder unarmed blck folks in the streets with impunity.

 

That's nice of you reassert, sources?

 

They were not just persecuted; they were systematically murdered, at least 6,000,000 of them. Add to that around 5,000,000 non-jews who were already brutally murdered and I just have to ask myself why in the world anyone would want to compare these two wars to each other.

 

No, not 1970 either. Sheesh.

And you are way off on your lynchings numbers, no, the higher percentage was not white, and the fact is -- the actual number does not account for the fact the approx 25% of whites lynched includes a fair number who helped out black people, (you know the pejorative for that) -- and also the fact that there were numerous lynchings never recorded.

There were some lynchings out west, and yes, most of these were not related to the blacks or political cause as they were in the south.

However, near 80% of the lynchings were in the south.

 

You want to prove me wrong be my guest. That being said arguing about which is the worst of too despicable and despotic regimes is a lot like arguing over whether you'd rather be drawn and quartered or torn apart between teams of horses.

 

AMEN.
The entire premise of this thread is highly questionable and, to put it mindly, suspect.

 

To add a historical note from my last --

I still gasp at this horrific fact:

From 1877 to 1966, no Southern white person was ever convicted of first degree murder of a black person -- with the exception one man. John Williams.

Nearly a hundred years. One man.

Till 1966.

 

If you have no sources, so be it.

 

This is horrifying.

 

It is not rare. It is all over the place. No, you do not have a clue what it feels like to have been treated like that. You want to because it fits your narrative, but you are not discriminated against in America as a white person. Resentment of the elite is not racism. I am sorry, but if you cannot keep up as a white male in America you are some sort of ****ed. The odds are stacked for you. The reasons those advantages are there is because you have more opportunities even if you don't know or are unable to get them. Sorry, but you are not suffering from racism as a white male in America. You may be suffering personally, but that would be your own problem. I have never been turned down for a job because I was too much of a white dude. I would love to see that. I would giggle my ass off because it would be about time.

 

If someone thinks that confederate soldiers were worse than Nazis...then they have no business teaching schools, or having children. That type of ignorance is unbelievable. Luckily, there are probably only 10 people on planet earth that would think such nonsense.