Who Are "Wrong" to Colonize and Take Land from Other People?

"What groups of people have been morally wrong with invading and taking the land from others in history? The vast majority of Americans have been led to believe that European Christian Colonists were evil and pathetic for "stealing the land of Native Americans." Many on the Left have been pushing the argument that these same Europeans were "wrong" to colonize every other place they came to. However, the subject is never brought up on who's land was it beforehand?

Around the 1700's the Comanche People came out of their land in the Rockies and using the horse, began to invade and take over the lands of the Utes, Kiowa and Apaches into Texas. They used brutal warfare, torture and genocide against their enemies. So were the Comanche not "wrong" for stealing the land of other Native Americans? What other people groups should be given a pass for taking land from others and colonizing?

 

There have been a few changes on this land mass since the 1700s so its hard to make a comparison, however there's no question that the immigrants to this continent could have treated the native people better.

 

The US had a system of reservations and set up "The Bureau of Indian Affairs." Did the Native Americans ever set up a "Bureau of White Man Affairs" that gave education, food and medical care to the White colonists, Mexicans and others they defeated in battle?

 

Then the white man immediately claimed any and all of the natural resources on that land (oil, minerals, coal, etc.) just as they did all over the world.
One of the very few places the White Man didn't take control of the resources is Saudi Arabia - and the money from those resources made all the difference compared to the African nations where all the resources were claimed by foreign companies.

So yes, you can claim that all civilizations have claimed other people's land - but it's the more recent acquisitions where the natural resources were taken as well that has made the difference.

 

Appropriation by whites of resources and habitats lead to disasters for indigenous peoples, yes.

The OP is disingenuous, though, in that it is a stalking horse for white privilege.

 

The oilmen of ARAMCO did their dead level best to keep the US government out of it.. That's why Saudi Arabia is not like Iraq or Iran.

 

The issue at hand is the morality and "righteousness" one human group taking the land of another.

The Comanche people wanted the buffalo, game and hunting grounds of the Kiowa, Apaches and other tribes---so they took it. If you can't blame these natives, then you can't blame anyone else.

 

Guess I am the only one (so far) who is going to give my indorsement to Catholicism and the Crusades.

Pope Urban-2 was right. We should have wiped these buzzards out in 1195 AD.

 

It is disingenuous to blame only Whites and thinking only in narrow terms of "White Privilege."

Invasions of Mongols, Muslims, Aztecs, Assyrians, Persians......have led to disasters.

 

In modern times (the 21st Century) this issue is mainly applicable to the Jews in Israel in their clash since 1948 with the Palestinians there.

The answer, as Aristotle first taught Alexander The Great in 344 BC, is that "might makes right".

 

Thanks for an honest opinion. I agree, I like overall what European Christians have done for the Americas. I don't want to be attacked by a dozen different hostile tribes when traveling out West.

 

In case you guys/gals did not know, Aristotle was Alexander The Great's private tutor.

King Philip of Macedon fetched Aristotle due to his fame from Athens to educate his son.

 

Well right now you are going to be attacked by a dozen hostile racial minorities out West and everywhere else unless you get your own CFP and carry your most reliable pistol 24/7/365 also with a shotgun in the trunk of your car too. Just like moi.

 

No - all cultures that survived did so through violent means ... we tend to be harder on Christians because Christ preached love - other cultures didn't have the hypocrisy - they were violent and owned it.

 

There have been ancient migrations and conquests since before history. (For the record, history began in ancient Egypt with their inscriptions in 3535 BC, and in Greece in 425 BC with Herodotus' book "The Inquiries" -- the first true history book.)

Ergo to condemn pre-history and ancient history as "wrong" is naïve.

Just look at Russia in eastern Ukraine now -- although they deny being there. Might makes right. Nobody can push around the Russian bear and expect to live. Just one modern example.

Aristotle taught this to Alexander The Great as well.

 

That why my family left Los Angeles in 1966 and took us kids to the Ozarks as reverse pioneers. I don't like living in the land of "Fruits and Nuts."

 

You're more likely to be hit and killed by a drunk white lady than be killed by some foreigner. Just say'n.

 

Where I live, there is an equal likelihood of being killed by an old man driving DUI on the freeway, or an old lady talking on her cell phone on the freeway, or a teenaged girl texting while driving, or a juvie male racing his car on the road !!

Defensive driving, and/or staying off the freeway as much as possible, is the only viable response to these risks. For everything else you need Smith & Wesson.

 

Can't argue there.

 

My first owned pistol was a Smith & Wesson Model 59. I loved that gun. So I affectionately refer to all my guns as Smith & Wesson. Although currently I don't exactly own any Smith & Wesson's. But I have owned several over the years.

Currently for self defense I am into Ruger, Mossberg, and CZ.

 

I think the European Christians fleeing Catholic and other prosecutions coming here would not have been so violent if the more of the Natives had have put their tomahawks down and sat down for worship services in new White settlements. So many Natives fought the Whites just like the fought their enemy Native tribes coming into their territory.

It's just a fiction that Euro settlers came into a new area, went over to Native camps that were simply just minding their own business, and massacred them.

 

While I am not anti-foreigner, it does annoy me that anyone dressed in a complete burka could be packing enough C-4 or dynamite to blow up an entire shopping mall.

 

If the Native American Indians had know what was coming to them from Europe, they would have made peace between themselves and wiped the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch, and English OFF THE MAP when they had the chance.

That they did not was due to lack of foresight.

Sitting Bull proved and showed that it could be done. They just got started too late in the program, is all.

 

My first guns were simple .22's. Bought a S&W Mod 19 .357 in High School, but traded it a few years ago for a 9mm Beretta. Revolvers are mostly obsolete---In my opinion.

 

Yup I too left "fruit and nut land" my first chance to do so about a year and a half ago.

My brand spanking new CFP feels very good too.