Who Are "Wrong" to Colonize and Take Land from Other People?

Which you claim justifies mass murder of entire populations, rape and torture all on your claim that all Native Americans all were and always had been clones of each other - because thinking of people as more than all identical by race throughout all of history is just vastly too complex a concept. By your logic, anyone could do anything to you and anyone one of your family and be fully justified in doing so.

 

The real question is NOT about stealing land. It is about is mass murder, genocide, torture, atrocities and rape "wrong?" Greatax says they are no wrong if anyone of the victim's race every committed such acts. If a white person every murdered, tortured, raped or stole anything from anyone, then anyone is justified in do the same to any white person anywhere in the world from now until the end of time. Such a view is 100% the purest and foulest form of racism.

I suppose his next thread will be to justify slavery by posting how some tribes in Africa acted.

Then next, he will possibly start a thread defending serial rapists, pedophiles and serial murderers - or rather another one since that REALLY is what this thread is about.

 

It is well established historically that white settlers were generally welcomed wherever they went in what is now called the Americas. However, when they resorted to stealing, pillaging, exterminating, and exploiting Indigenous peoples, wars broke out.

Were Nazis acting properly when they invaded lands they perceived to be rightfully theirs?
Were Zionists equally just in invading Palestine and imposing the same depredations imposed upon them by the Nazis?
Were the French just when they invaded Algeria and killing hundreds of thousands of people after hundreds of thousand Algerians volunteered in their army to fight off the Nazis?





We all know the bottom line - don't want a war or any violence? Stay the hell out of foreign countries and conflicts.

 

Only whites have been bashed for this ancient practice, thus the bashing is invalid.

Sorry but if you can't be morally consistent when you bash people, you're a stinking liar.

 

Humanity has developed over time, as has morality, so that any of us could probably come up with a set of guidelines better than something like the ten commandments. I think it is wrong to judge history by the morals of our time, and certainly historical people such as General Lee, Cecil Rhodes etc. But from the creation of the League of Nations we were moving towards a reasonable goal of international law and by the time of the creation of the UN we had benchmarks we could judge against in future conflicts. Sadly the UN has been ineffective. As others have said, there is only one rule, might is right, the question we must ask is who should we give that might to?

 

Reread the quote. I'm saying the ignorant public, and people like you, give Native Americans a free pass on doing the very same thing all human groups have done----take and hold territory for their own use. However, in America, Northern European settlers were vastly more humane than the average Native American tribe in doing this.

 

I don't believe you can justly say that the U.S. Cavalry was "more humane".

Murder is murder whether you die from a bullet or an arrow.

 

Not bad ... you started with the Egyptians.

The Babylonians were actually more ancient than the Egyptians.

Take a Google-look at Sargon The Great Of Akkad. He was the first conqueror in history that we know of, before we know of any Egyptians.

Ever since Sargon, princes and kings have been conquering each other for the past 4500 years of history. Right now as we speak, Russians are conquering Ukrainians, Kurds are conquering Turks and Syrians, and God only knows what is going on in black Africa.

 

Kurds invaded those countries? You sure about that?? Bear in mind that Kurdistan was invaded and divided up into the four countries that surround it.

 

And as such, there's no such thing as fascism today and leftists are literally fighting shadows.

 

Well the Kurds are working to fix that. But you could say the same thing about eastern Ukraine and the Russians too.

 

Leftists are fighting Western civilization.

 

Turks actually are the conquerors of Turkey. They are not indigenous. Anatolia was invaded by the Turkic Islamic Seljuq dynasty. Their descendants remain today.

 

Yes, they're broadened the definition of fascist to anyone they hate, specifically anyone politically right of center.

 

Thank you.

 

That's why there are dots in front of Egyptians. Impossible to go back and trash all the wicked Neolithic and Paleolithic people we don't know about.

 

Yet oddly, only white people are smeared as colonialist whores and told to get the **** out.

Arab Muslims invaded the Maghreb where they remain today, oppressing the indigenous minorities. Nobody says **** about it.

But oh wait - they're poor.

 

Its only wrong when the Jews do it.

 

And brown.

 

Suppose the Chinese conquer the USA and use a bureaucracy of Chinese backed up by brutal military force to control, work, and bleed it -- leaving just enough for Americans to survive and eat, to serve the interests of China for another grueling day.

That is their right if they can conquer and choose to do it. Might makes right.

 

Whites are being endlessly trashed.

 

Stronger cultures will always assimilate or remove weaker. This is a unkind yet vital part of the Human animal. If the stronger cultures were constrained by imaginary lines on a map you would never have seen the advancement of the species as you have. It is the very struggle for survival and expansion that has led us to becoming the dominant species on this planet.

 

Yup, not only Maghreb but all of North Africa and South Asia and Central Africa.

However Muslims early in their history normally gave conquered peoples the opportunity to convert to Islam and then they were not further afflicted nor taxed.

 

True -- we do not know what happened in prehistoric times.

That's why it is called prehistoric.

Sargon The Great Of Akkad is the first conquering prince that we know of.

There are indications that the Kelts (red hair & green eyed people) were in Europe first.

Then the Germans (blonde hair & blue eyed people) pushed them back into France, Spain, Portugal, England, Scotland, and Ireland.

Then the Slavic (brown eyed) people pushed the Germans out of Russia and Poland.

And the Germans and Finns showed up out of nowhere so we don't have any idea where they came from.

Herodotus said the Germans were Persians originally. He also said the Kelts were in Europe and Russia first but did not know where they came from.

Note - K is Greek and C is Roman - for Kelts.

 

The Comanche and Kiowa were allies.