Why is Israel hated?

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Why is Israel hated?

  1. They are hated due to their actions and extremist beliefs

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    47.4%
  2. They are hated due to anti-Semitism

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    23.7%
  3. A combo of both.

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    23.7%
  4. The Bible says its God's will, due to their disobedience.

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    5.3%
  1. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    I rather think that the affected Palestinians should get likewise compensations for the rest of their lives - as would jews. Stop agitating strawmen in my face.

    Sorry... what?
     
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    That's "folkloric" antisemitism, one that tends to disappear with knowledge, science and a bit of atheism. It's the idiot's form of antisemitism.

    Comtemporary antisemitism - if we can even call it like that in a ME context - is much more of a problem, as it is based on the perception that jews that jews rule our elites, yes... and they're doing it for Israel. Before zionism, one could wonder why they'd do it but now the people see why. It's a much more informed form of "antisemitism".

    IMO, when it's for blaming Israel, it isn't antisemitism that wins the fight: The best arguments against Israel comes from a humanitarian point of view, not from an ethnoreligious one, one that is more at ease in the zionist camp.

    As for blaming the jewish dispora for controlling our elites, yes, that's closer to "classical" antisemitism, but when it's nonetheless the case, what prevents us from criticizing it is, once again, accusations of anti-semitism, a form of positive racism that still plays an important part in the occidental psyche. That leads us to the elephant in the living room, that we try our best to ignore in spite of all the destruction and sht it commits.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    religious-based anti-semitism still exists very much within the Muslim community.

    ive heard it all the time.

    in college i heard a Palestinian girl tell her Muslim friends that "we are not supposed to hang out with the kufar"
     
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    "kufar" means non-Muslim. Actually I've yet to see a Muslim call Jews that word. Typically that's how they call atheists.
     
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    Religion-based obscurantism tends to disappear with education and wealth. It doesn't happen overnight, natch, but over the course of a couple generations.
     
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    It's in the bible. They were disobedient. He will not abandon them, though they will be punished. From those given much, much will be required...or something like that. I'm sure there are practical reasons, as well.
     
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    Anyone who is really interested in this subject might find this film interesting,



    It is a long film but watch the interview at 21.50, those poor Jewish children(not sarcasm) taught the world hates them and to look at everybody as a threat.

    Edit, and at 1 hour the conference deals with antisemitism and Israel.
     
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    Anti-Semitism was so common in the USA that the families of the Nazis now back 'Israel' because that enables them to deal with inherited guild painlessly, there being no change of political philosophy involved. Heil Netenyahu and the Master Race
    It was the same with many decent British people about Rhodesia. It is well-meant, but doesn't hang together: imperialist exploitation is what it always was. Myself, I call muddled Jewish people Jews and Zionists Nazis. The muddle is a natural one to all who can be conned to support 'our team'. I speak as one who got his Labour Party branch to support the bombing of Beit Bridge to break the Rhodesian Nazis. Instead, they were allowed to survive until the only other option was Mugabe.
     
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    Jews have been hated throughout history. Getting their own state has only made that worse. Now they are not only Jews but they are winners! Losers love to hate winners, and besides, they are supported by the evil USA! How many more reasons are needed to hate them?
     
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    hate begets hate, especially when Zionist hate has been apparent from the beginning:



    Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed





    New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed. A letter to The New York Times. Saturday December 4, 1948

    by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.



    TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
    Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
    The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
    Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
    The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

    Attack on Arab Village
    A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
    The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
    Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
    During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
    The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

    Discrepancies Seen
    The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
    In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

    The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

    ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
    HANNAH ARENDT,
    ABRAHAM BRICK,
    RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
    ALBERT EINSTEIN,
    HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
    HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
    H.H. HARRIS,
    ZELIG S. HARRIS,
    SIDNEY HOOK,
    FRED KARUSH,
    BRURIA KAUFMAN,
    IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
    NACHMAN MAISEL,
    SEYMOUR MELMAN,
    MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
    HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
    SAMUEL PITLICK,
    FRITZ ROHRLICH,
    LOUIS P. ROCKER,
    RUTH SAGIS,
    ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
    I.J. SHOENBERG,
    SAMUEL SHUMAN,
    M. SINGER,
    IRMA WOLFE,
    STEFAN WOLFE.
    New York, Dec. 2, 1948





    https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948





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    Real Jews obey the Bible's commandments to do good unto all of humanity. Zionism is an evil which, as these great humanitarian scholars say, is to be forevermore equated with Fascism and Nazism.
     
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    Why do you suppose Khazars and other converts have a sufficient claim to lands once lived in by the Jewish ancestors of the Palestinians, after they had got controlled of their pre-Jewish ancestors? Even if their ancestors were alleged to live in Palestine, why have these ex-Jewish Nazis some divine right to colonise another country?
     
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    Oh, for goodness sake's.

    'The world' does not 'hate Israel'. That is utter and complete nonsense.

    'The World' hates the way the Israeli government/extreme right-winger Israeli's are treating the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

    It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with religion. The Israeli government could be Christian/Buddhists/Scientologists for all it matters. It is the Israeli governments behavior - not it's religion.
     
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    Stolen land is always a hot topic. In general, Muslims hate Jews (and vice versa) and Israel is right in the middle of them.
     
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    Because they run a racist apartheid state that conducts ethnic cleansing and also because some people (who could care less about them doing those things) are anti-Semitic.
     
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    Palestine was not a country, so the Jews didn't colonize it. The Jews moved there under the British Mandate which came from the League of Nations. Part of the mandate was to facilitate the creation of a Jewish homeland.
     
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    The typical Nazi hymn to Imperialism. Obviously Palestine was a country, which is why it was a British Mandate in the 'thirties., which gave the tories no right whatever to give the Palestinian's country to Nazi Khazars or anyone else.
     
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    No, Palestine was never a country. It was a territory of the Ottoman Empire which was driven out of the area and dissolved during WWI.
     
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    They are partly hated due to their success. Freedom does that to Arabs and collectivists. The Bible does declare it would happen.....not sure if it is God's will or not.
     
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    I would be part of that "we".
     
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    Why don't we examine the fact that Israel allows mosques to exist within their borders while most Muslims do not allow synogogues or Churches. This talk of racism here is just stupidity.I believe.
     
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    By God American 'thought'! The concentration camps were full of people jealous of Hitler's 'success'. Goebbels predicted it!
     
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    I find it telling that you view Hitler as a success. You may continue.
     
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    Bloody noodle! :) I expect it is in Revelations somewhere, if your read it upside down in a shithole country! :) Why do you think 'success' is in inverted commas? Go and ask your teacher!
     
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    its the confusion of what a country actually is. Palestine was never a "country" at best it could be described as a province or territory.

    Of course this distinction is lost on all the anti zionists and jew haters.

    OTOH, today "facts on the ground" inform the world that in fact there is a country called Palestine NOW. Its currently belligerently occupied. It has a government or at least something that is recognized as such by the world AND Israel.

    Peace is possible ONLY if the Israelis can trust the palestinans and vice versa. I don't see Palestine as a trustworthy partner yet. They have yet to prove they can manage themselves let alone provide credible security guarantees to israel.
     

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