Legit question.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If border enforcement is the answer perhaps you'd like to explain why the 2013 Immigration Reform bill that passed the Senate, which provided for hundreds of millions of dollars for enhanced border security, was blocked by the Freedom Caucus in the House.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  3. gc17

    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    5,187
    Likes Received:
    2,015
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your point, show me the bill then I may be able to tell you.
     
  4. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,042
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  5. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    10,174
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's the leftist news that constantly has to retract and fire and suspend and force to resign. FOX has a much better record for accurate reporting so the misinformed are obviously on the left.
     
  6. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    10,174
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "After the release of the November jobs report, the U.S. has added 1.7 million total jobs since Donald J. Trump took the oath of office. The median jobs growth of 208,000 per month is the strongest for a president since Trump’s wedding guest Bill Clinton was in office."

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...new-jobs-created-during-presidency-2017-12-08
     
  7. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    7,503
    Likes Received:
    2,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    DACA proposition
    the tough stance on NOKO which is leading to talks
    the increased 401K accounts
    Toyota? or some foreign auto company building a brand new plant in the southeast, investing I forget how many billion dollars
    the loss of the penalty for not having health insurance
    the quick disposal of ISIS in the Middle East through intensive bombing
    the movement in Israel concerning what to do about the PLO and the reduction in deficit spending concerning them
    the budget, though costing 1T over 10 years, has been reduced by 9T spent by the O'bummer admin budget
    the talks on changing immigration to protect the average New Yorker riding a bicycle

    That's a start. I think everyone can agree those are at least partly good. Maybe not.
     
  8. RedDirtWalker

    RedDirtWalker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2014
    Messages:
    1,907
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Doesn't matter, we are not ruled by the popular vote (thank fully), we are ruled by representatives. So what's your point?
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And yet research shows Faux viewers are the most misinformed.
    You might also want to consider something else. Credible journalists make corrections when their stories prove to be inaccurate. If Faux were to do so, or suspend their talking heads each time they reported a lie, there would be no Faux.

    "On Monday, lawyers for Fox News must submit court filings addressing how the network mishandled a story about the unsolved killing of a young Democratic Party staffer named Seth Rich. Assuming Fox answers those questions in any detail, it would be the first time the network has done so publicly. Fox News was compelled to retract the story, which involved presidential politics, international intrigue and a man's murder. When a story of this scale crumbles, most news organizations feel obligated to explain what happened and why. Not so far at Fox, which stands apart journalistically from its competitors in many ways. Unlike the other networks or major newspapers, for example, Fox has no office or executive dedicated to standards and practices. That falls within the larger portfolio of the network's general counsel, Dianne Brandi.

    And that gap is reflected in the response to the Rich story as well. In the four months since its retraction, Fox News has not apologized for what it reported. Nor has it explained what went wrong. So let's try to derive our own lessons about what happened — not as a legal matter, but as a journalistic one.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/5511...to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2018
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  10. Brexx

    Brexx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Messages:
    1,431
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Misinformed according to who?
     
  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  12. Brexx

    Brexx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Messages:
    1,431
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  14. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If that's what you think ........... Why do you live here ?
     
  15. Brexx

    Brexx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Messages:
    1,431
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Still having a hard time seeing this as anything but anti Fox propaganda. I check out a number of news sources daily as I'm sure most people do. Just because Fox is one of them is supposed to make me less informed??

    The article mentions "Fox's core viewers". How are they defined? Are they people who watch nothing but Fox? I don't recommend relying on an one source of news. Its all spun one way or another so one needs to get all sides.

    This is a reply to Lee Atwater above.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2018
    Josephwalker likes this.
  16. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Lee Atwater said:
    If border enforcement is the answer perhaps you'd like to explain why the 2013 Immigration Reform bill that passed the Senate, which provided for hundreds of millions of dollars for enhanced border security, was blocked by the Freedom Caucus in the House.

    Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013

    Well it was a Democratic Bill. Vetoed by the Republicans ...the party of no

    It would have increased border security by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also advances talent-based immigration through a points-based immigration system. New visas have been proposed in this legislation, including a visa for entrepreneurs and a W visa for lower skilled workers.[4] It also proposes new restrictions on H1B visa program to prevent its abuse and additional visas/green-cards for students with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees from U.S. institutions
     
  17. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks for the help Chuck.

    https://americanimmigrationcouncil....44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill
     
  18. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Fake News !!
    On average, employers have added 170,000 jobs in each of the 10 months since Trump took office. That's slightly below the 196,000 per month pace during the comparable period in 2016, under President Obama. If you throw out September of this year, when job gains were depressed by hurricanes, Trump's monthly average is closer to Obama's, at 185,000, but the change in administrations doesn't appear to have had much effect on the overall job market.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  19. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    10,174
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Using NPR to bash FOX? Classic!
     
  20. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    10,174
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because enough of us are not the above mentioned lazy misinformed losers.
     
  21. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    10,174
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More and better jobs and full time jobs instead of part time jobs. Thanks Trump. Wait until tax cuts take effect. You ain't seen nothin yet.
     
  22. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Unless you can substantively rebut the information in the PBS piece your reply is worthless.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2018
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  23. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,899
    Likes Received:
    26,934
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Prove it. Because so far all we are seeing is an acceleration of conditions from when Obama was prez, boosted by the tax bill that adds $1.3T to the national debt. Any nitwit can get manufacturing jobs to come back by giving corporate tax breaks at the expense of the national debt.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  24. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    7,293
    Likes Received:
    1,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Here in Kansas the party is very strong on 2nd amendments rights, lowering taxes, strong military, and merit based federal programs. Not saying the achieve those goals but it is what they run on.
     
    yiostheoy likes this.
  25. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    8,603
    Likes Received:
    3,454
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Less power to the Federal government and more power to local governments is fairly uniformly popular everywhere as a principle.

    Enforcement of the Federal Bill Of Rights upon the States, Counties, and Cities is also uniformly popular everywhere as a principle as well.

    Lower taxes for all is also uniformly popular everywhere as well. However when taxes go up mostly on the working class and the middle class, while the rich see a massive tax cut, this is NOT uniformly popular. It is strictly a GOP thing.

    Strong national defense is uniformly popular everywhere also, even though the DEM's tend to cut national defense while paying lip service to a strong national defense.

    The war on hard drugs is fairly popular across the board too, although the GOP seems to hate weed while the DEM's mostly smoke it.

    How is this for a start ?!
     

Share This Page