There is a solution to school shootings

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  1. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    First of all, hotshot, my party is the Republican party and it certainly isn't what you belong to, whatever that is.
    Secondly, nobody wants to throw out the Constitution, nor did I recommend that so don't put words in my mouth.
    Third, I sure as hell wouldn't want people of your ilk making decisions for the public good.
    Forth, the AMA sure as hell is a lobbying group as well as whatever the hell else it is.
    Fifth, you don't decide what is right and wrong, even though you think you do. There are lives at stake and measures have to be taken to protect them in any free society, since the way of the macho gun owner isn't working.
    Sixth, this country is headed full speed ahead toward autocracy with Trump at the helm, the Constitution notwithstanding and we are heading into shithole territory. You and your civil war. Talk is cheap and cowardice is in vogue when law enforcement comes a knocking at your door. So take your finger out of your butt and try to see the forest for the trees. And if you intend to continue insulting me, don't
    bother to respond, please.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    The only "dumb" are your responses and the morons elected Trump.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The NRA represents people, Ned. They aren't some tyrannical king. They are people who have a different opinion than you. And there are lots of them.

    That right there should inform your policy of trying to control people with government policy. You cannot control them because there are more of them than you.
     
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    I agree and this is how I would implement it.

    Texas has a "School Marshal" program. With permission of the school board, teachers can go through 80 hours of tactical and legal training concerning active shooters and protection of students. They are allowed to concealed carry inside the schools. This is already in place and where I would start.

    I would put these marshals under the instruction of a school resource officer. Even if he is not on site all day, he will at least work with the marshals and develop a plan for organizing their effectiveness and learning the school campus. Ideally the school resource officer will be involved with the school marshal training program and will conduct this training on school property during the Summer break.

    I would put an app on the phones of school marshals. This "School Marshal" app could be used by any school marshal in the event of an active shooter or sighting of a "gunman" on campus. Activating this app would instantly call 911 and every member of the school marshal team. All school marshal phones would then share all audio and video data with 911. 911 operators can also activate this app if calls come in from others for an active shooter at the school. The school marshals could then protect strategic points in the school to impede, trap, or stop the active shooter while students and teachers barricade their classroom doors using desks. They can feed information to the school resource officer or responding police over their phones. The police will still be the people doing the active hunting for the shooter unless the shooter approaches a marshal.
     
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    The FBI has 37000 employees, and all of them are up to their eyeballs in crime related issues. Someone dropped the ball. Sht happens and this type is tough to manage. The investigation into Russian interference is ongoing and is bearing fruit. Who knows where Trump fits in. You don't,
    for sure. His history before the election is a sordid one so it wouldn't surprise me one way or the other. The problem is the availability
    of assault weapons among other things.
     
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    you got that right borrow and spend until we have a 900 trillion dollar deficit that's been Republicans game since Reagan.

    Some say I don't have a party I just think I don't need a party.

    you're proposing infringement on the right to bear arms yeah that's against the Constitution.
    nobody should ever be making decisions like that move to North Korea if you want that.
    the American Medical Association sure okay not really sure what that has to do with anything but sure.
    but someone does. Sorry you don't think owning guns is wrong and most of the country agrees with me otherwise we would have repealed the 2nd Amendment long time ago.

    every single one of you people make up some s*** about about macho or fantasies and fetishes the f*** is with that?

    Besides this immature nonsense what on Earth would you do how do you predict a Madman is going to shoot up a place?

    So we have to have a crystal ball or no guns? You know banning them wouldn't work.

    well he's what we got it may not be ideal but it's the way it is do you can freak out and think we're headed to doom and catastrophe. Or you can just f****** vote in the next election. And maybe someone else will do it for a while and a whole other group of idiots will cry about how they're the doom of the nation.

    why would they knock on my door?

    so is it because I like the Constitution that I have my finger in my ass or is that me not see forest for the trees?
     
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    So it's all about Trump? I wasn' aware he did this shooting.

    I would say this is no time for wringing of hands but I didn't know you suffered from TDS.
     
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    The problem is the clinical depression that leads some people to believe not that the world would be better off without them, but that the world would be better off destroyed.

    Read anything any of these psychopaths wrote about why they did what they did. In their own words, none of it has to do with how easy it is to get a gun.

    It's about a competition to cause the most destruction as possible. You can try to eliminate tools of destruction, but that does not address the motivation to use them.
     
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    Like Steve Martin in "the Jerk" focuses on the cans, everyone focused on the guns and the dead kids are not looking at the entire picture, and arriving at a false solution.

    What the heck are gun restrictions going to do when the killer made himself blatantly obvious to everyone, including law enforcement and still no action was taken? You think a plan to destroy the world can't exist without a rifle?
     
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    I also can't wrap my head around the lunacy of these keyboard commandos that think everyone who supports gun ownership is a violent moron, and they are going to take those guns away to save lives.

    How do you plan on taking guns away from the violent morons? Ya gonna write them a persuasive poem? Or do you plan on pointing a gun at them and asking less nicely. Some plan to reduce violence that is...
     
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    I can't wrap my head around people so afraid to fill out a form because it will be the death of all freedom in america. This wrapping themselves in the flag business is ridiculous
     
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    Guns get into Chicago because they are brought IN from places where the purchase is LEGAL
     
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    Depression exists all over the world. Our level of gun deaths do not
     
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    it isn't about saving lives it's about taking guns away.

    well they don't really want to get rid of guns they want specific people to have them which is odd because they will sit and tell you that police brutality is high.
     
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    So unless you make it illegal to purchase guns globally and enforce it strictly you have no hope of doing anything.
     
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    Japan, australia, canada, europe all have much less problems with this than we do
     
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    No its about saving lives
     
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    We haven't had a single airliner purposefully crashed into a building since comprehensive security measures were implemented in domestic airports and airports that service the US.

    I don't know why it's so difficult to clamp down on security at our schools. I mean, WTF? it's not that complicated.

    the answer is more security in our schools...armed security...not fewer guns or more feel-good gun laws. The gun thing is too far gone...that toothpaste is out of the tube. guns are here to stay, and there's nothing that can be done about it, so grow up, stop pandering, and look for adult solutions that have a chance of working.

    'gun free zones'. gawd. C'MON! that's effing stupid.
     
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    What do you mean fill out a form?
     
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    Or we could do what works. Gun control
     
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    My god if you bring up background checks or registration here all I hear about is speechs from Ben Franklin and Patrick Henry. Its a form. Not everyone wants to take your guns.
     
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    like in Chicago? gun control works as well as opioid control.
     
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    Chicago is ranked 18th in gun homicides of large cities.
     
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    Gun control does not work. It is a stupid idea.
     
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