Billy Graham taught hatred (gays, non-believers), so I assume he's in "hell"?

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Is Billy Graham in "heaven" or in "hell"?

  1. Heaven

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  2. Hell

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  3. "Heaven/hell" are no more real than Narnia or Middle Earth, so he's 6' under right now.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    NDE's are not REAL, because people usually just bring forward what their mind ALREADY knew, their pre-conceived ideas of what "heaven/Jesus" etc. would be like. See how that works?
     
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    According to the Bible, what level of "heaven" do ethical Muslims (say Muslims who are even more ethical than you and I are) get into, Dennis? Surely your god is not so full of hatred that he would keep people who are at least as ethical as you and I are out of heaven, no?
     
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    Clearly Graham hated innocent people: "Billy Graham took an unusual step into the political arena this week, pledging his support for a ballot initiative that would make it next to impossible to legalize gay marriage in North Carolina, where it is already legally banned."
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-moderate-billy-graham-supports-north-carolina-gay-marriage-ban

    But I don't blame Graham as much as I blame God/Jesus - for teaching the hatred in the FIRST place. Graham was just a morally gutless person who couldn't muster the moral courage to stand up to God/Jesus even though God/Jesus taught hatred of innocent people. Gutless. But the non-falsifiable FEAR that God/Jesus taught is indeed a powerful force in keeping people from doing the ethically right thing.
     
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    So far, God/Jesus' boy Billy is not doing so well in our poll (losing by a 1:4 ratio):
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    Heaven and hell are not places, Freedom Seeker. They are realms.
    That should give you some clue if gays go to hell.
     
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    He is in the Christian heaven, the Muslim hell and in the ground Atheists walk on while they all pretend they don't.
     
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    God/Jesus has had 2000 years to change his hateful policy, but nary a word from him saying "ok, we screwed up, please forgive us, we are now finally letting gays into heaven". I'd probably forgive him, because I'm a more forgiving person than he is (he doesn't forgive, say, Buddhists for not sucking up to him, so he relegates Buddhists to a fiery "hell" - that sick SOB.)
     
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    According to Dr. Ian Stevenson, the foremost reincarnation researcher, many of children with past-life memories show abilities or talents that they had in their previous lives. Dr. Stevenson's research led him to conclude that homosexuality is a natural human trait resulting from the reincarnation of a person of one gender as a person of the opposite gender. Such people must adjust to their new gender and sexuality at an early age. Former girls who are reborn as boys may wish to dress as girls or prefer to play with girls rather than boys. Former boys who are reborn as girls may wish to dress as boys or prefer to play with boys rather than girls. Former men who are reborn as women will be attracted to women and will therefore be lesbian. Former women who are reborn as men will be attracted to men and will therefore be gay. (Dr. Ian Stevenson)
    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay-and-lesbian.html#a07

    That's pretty funny. Good for a chuckle.
     
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    Like "Middle Earth" is a "realm"?
     
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    Nobody can get into Heaven based on their own "goodness" In fact, Scripture states all of our righteousness are as filthy rags. Because Mankind is so evil and corrupt, and that God is not willing any should perish, He provided the ONLY way to Him. And that's at the Cross. But Satan has blinded you to the Truth.
     
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    Scripture ALSO states the following as real, so of course we can't trust a frickin' thing that Scripture states!:

    People have lived to be 900 years old.
    The earth is flat.
    A plant can talk (a talking burning bush.)
    Talking donkeys.
    500 zombies.
    A man living inside a fish for 3 days.
    I can actually survive my own death if I simply believe in a member of the living dead from Nazareth.
    Talking snakes.
    Almost all humans and all animals died in a magic flood.
    An invisible evil guy is real, and works to mess up our lives.
    A magic invisible place in the sky exists, where religious Apartheid is sanctioned (Hindus, Muslims, Atheists etc. are so hated that they are not allowed to enter, ever.)
    Magic is real (walking on water.)
    Dragons.
    Invisible "demons".
    Witches are real, and should be killed.
    There’s a magic guy who has lived forever, he created the entire universe - only a few thousand years ago.
    Giants are real.
    An invisible magic place exists in the middle of the earth ("Middle Earth"??) where people who simply don’t think like the hero are tortured forever.
    Talking dead guys are real, and one will return thousands of years after his death to become king of the world.
    There’s an unscientific invisible thing inside us that survives our death and magically leaves our body (the completely unproven “soul”.)
    A magic man can turn water in to wine.
    All humans and all animals alive fit on one boat...at the same time.
    Unicorns are real [or change the translation, jeez.]
    Magic invisible people that fly around with wings are real, and protect us.
    Locust headed scorpions are real.
     
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    Then Satan has blinded you.
     
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    It sounds like this "Satan" fellow is real real real bad. If it was up to ME, I'd have arrested (or killed) him if I met him like Jesus allegedly did in the Bible, because that would have been best for humanity. Would YOU have also been that loving, Bassman, if you were in that position (like Jesus was)?
     
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    I've been meeting with my associate Pastor on a weekly basis for one on one discipleship and the subject of Mankind's hope came up. We delved into the Book of Daniel and saw how God's hand is in World Events, even today. The ONLY hope lies in the Cross.
     
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    I'm afraid the only ones who are "blind" are the ones who give their children a book that approves of all those crazy things (talking donkey, talking snake, talking burning bush, talking invisible dead guy who magically will let people survive their own deaths if they just stop believing in science and believe in him, etc.)
     
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    You forget that Jesus IS God Almighty Himself and Satan is but a mere creation. Satan's defeat was at the Cross as well. You need to repent of your unbelief.
     
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    Muslims say the same thing, basically......see the folly in that?
     
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    So lemme ask. Would you take an RFID chip in your hand or forehead or without it you cannot buy or sell anything?
     
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    Wait, many Christians believe that Jesus was just a man, and NOT GOD. So is the Bible wrong about this.
     
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    The only difference is Islam IS a false religion based on works.
     
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    These "Christians" are wrong. John 8:58 Jesus said :"Before Abraham was I AM" He Declared to the religious leaders at that time that He is indeed God Himself.
     
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    I'd QUESTION the lunatic ("god") who set up that dumb system in the FIRST PLACE! We Modern Secular Humanists can think for ourselves.
     
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    Please, stop making **** up. A straw man.
     
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    Secular Humanism is straight out of the pit of Hell. To believe the lie that man is good is chasing a fallacy.
     
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    Sounds like a lot of confusion in that religion (there are more different denominations than even verses in the entire Bible, so OF COURSE there is confusion, but I digress.) So if I had god's all-powerful skillz, I'd of course come down about every decade at least and educate, just educate, people as to what the real, true situation is regarding this confusion. That would be best for humanity, of course.
    If YOU, bassman, had those skillz, would YOU do that, like me, as well? I assume that you care about humanity as much as I do.
     

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