Billy Graham taught hatred (gays, non-believers), so I assume he's in "hell"?

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Is Billy Graham in "heaven" or in "hell"?

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  2. Hell

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  3. "Heaven/hell" are no more real than Narnia or Middle Earth, so he's 6' under right now.

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  1. Canell

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    Sticking a penis in your *** is just gross.

    No, I don't think so.

    Yes, he is. :banana:
     
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    Wait - if there are 3000 gods, then wouldn't it mean that a person who actually feels that they can pick the ONE "true" god out of that whopping number would have to be an arrogant prick? It would be like if a person said "yes, I can pick the winning lottery number!" Seems kinda arrogant, no?

    I'm not that arrogant, and I'm sure crank is not, either. We are more humble than religious folks, it seems.
     
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    Thinking that a wafer literally turns into the flesh of some 2000 year-old dead hippie/socialist from Nazareth is even grosser!
     
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    Actually, I do indeed believe that you are more loving than Jesus is - I bet if it was up to YOU as to whether your offspring got into heaven or burned in hell, if s/he was, say, a BUDDHIST (Jesus would say "burn"!), I bet you'd say the loving thing: "yes, I'd let my offspring into heaven, and avoid torture, even if s/he was a Buddhist". I of course would, myself, and I assume that you are a loving enough parent to go against Jesus' barbaric wishes.
     
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    So being "gross" completely warrants being brutally, savagely, barbarically BURNED ALIVE FOREVER, per the Bible!? Perhaps you don't understand the concept of "EQUITABLE Justice".
     
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    Yes. Yes they do. And when you pee.
     
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    Well ... arrogant, or just very very lazy. It's an executive decision to go with the quickest and easiest deity, and wear the cost of not doing your homework.
     
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    I wonder how deep the pit is? Is it like the Grand Canyon, but hotter?
     
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    So no matter WHAT comes out of a guys, well, you know, they are watching!!
     
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    The thing is, it's not literal. Bread is a symbol of the Word. As our bodies need bread (food in general) to survive, so do our soul need "soul bread", which would be the Logos (Word). Flesh to flesh, spirit to spirit.
     
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    Honestly, if I was Jesus (and assuming that "hell" is real, for argument's sake), I'd give tours of "hell" - sort of like the technique used by the "Scared Straight" juvenile programs to show youths how bad prison is. Because like a lot of youths might commit crimes because they don't fully understand just how bad prison might be, a lot of non-Christians might not realize just how bad "hell" is. This would be the right thing to do. Jesus doesn't do this, because Jesus (and "hell") are not actually real.
     
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    Well, paradise needs central heating to provide a comfortable temperature and beach like conditions for the righteous ones. Where do you think it's gonna come from? Hint: burning sinners. :lol:

    Come on, FS, you can do better than this. :cheerleader:
     
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    Just like it's not "literal" that a magic invisible 2000 year-old mind-reading zombie from Nazareth will magically let you "survive your own death" if you simply believe in him. I assume that you are intellectually consistent?
     
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    In a study, more Catholics believed this than believed the other 3 options. They "believe they are actually receiving the Body and Blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine."
    http://www.archdiocesesantafe.org/ABSheehan/ABSMessages/95.5.Eucharist.html

    Jesus, your followers are a bit loony, they need your divine help, NOW!
     
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    For instance, the hatred that Muslims have towards all non-believers (non-believers, like in Christianity, burn in hell), seems to be a big JOKE to you. No, it's not - there hatred towards non-believers has been dragging down humanity for centuries - so Jesus and Mohammad have been a cancer on humanity for many centuries.
     
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    Jesus also approved of the Adam/Eve story, and science has shown us that not to be true (of course), so obviously Jesus' word can't be trusted.
     
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    Do you think Jesus had a body of flour, salt, yeast with circulating wine in his vanes, FS? Really?
    Yes, Muslims hate is real. At least Christians are taught to be serene, modest and loving their enemies, that is not so dangerous for the world. They may believe in fairy tales but at least they don't go around butchering non-Christians.
     
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    everything. both ends.
     
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    I've heard those Grand Canyon tours are hideously expensive, though. Even that transparent walkway thingy hangin' over the edge of hell is some sort of crazy price, for like ... a 10 minute stroll!
     
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    I spend my life avoiding 'beach like conditions'. The last thing I want is to be stuck in summer for eternity. Three months a year is already a quasi hell.
     
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    Google "crusades".
    Google "inquisition".
    Google "witch burnings".
     
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    Those sickos.
     
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    No, Christians are taught cruelty and violence in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    But yes, we both agree about Islam.
     
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    As I wrote, G.O.D. is mysterious. Good day/night, FS.

     
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