Billy Graham taught hatred (gays, non-believers), so I assume he's in "hell"?

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Is Billy Graham in "heaven" or in "hell"?

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  2. Hell

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  3. "Heaven/hell" are no more real than Narnia or Middle Earth, so he's 6' under right now.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    1 Cor. 6:9-10 says gays don't get in, so I'm not making it up.
     
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    Yes, many people are indeed bad.....they are religious people - people so unhinged that they are perfectly FINE with saying that it's ok for the "best book of all time" to say that gays, Muslims, Hindus, Gandhi, Ben Franklin, etc., etc. are all such utter scum that all of those (apparently, according to the Bible) deserve nothing but brutal, savage TORTURE in a "lake of fire". Yes, THOSE people are of course NOT GOOD.
     
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    Prove this "hell" exists. Show us the scientific data.

    PS fairy tales written 2000 years ago are NOT scientific data.
     
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    Did Jesus wrote Cor. 6:9-10?
     
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    I think you do NOT understand that all non-Christians burn, burn, and burn some more - according to the sadistic Bible, that is:


    John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

    Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

    Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 - The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Mark 9:43, 48-49 - And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.

    Matthew 22:13 - Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 8:12 - while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 25:46 - And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

    Revelation 14:9-11; 19:3 - If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. The smoke from her goes up forever and ever.

    Luke 12:5 - But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!
     
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    He's had 2000 years to find enough morality to say "ok, look, stop, in my name, saying that me and my dad don't let gays into heaven - we WILL let them into heaven!"

    This would help prevent many many gays suicides....can we agree that if you and I were in God/Jesus' shoes that you and I love people enough, enough to say that sentence?
     
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    His silence is tacit approval, of course.
    Besides, God/Jesus is (allegedly) the one that determines who gets into heaven and who does not, so God/Jesus would be the guilty party, even if God/Jesus didn't actually write that statement!

    Can we both agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically speaking here, that gays DON'T get into heaven (we don't know 100%, I'll admit), that you, like me, would condemn God/Jesus for his hatred of innocent people? Can we, Canell?
     
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    What is "straight out of the pit of Hell" would not be SH, but rather a book (and its followers) that says that beating a slave (yes, a slave!) to DEATH is ok, as long as that death drags out past a day or two!
    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    I can't IMAGINE approving of such an evil book, or such an evil invisible friend in the sky.
     
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    Yes, YOU TOO "need to repent of your unbelief" in Zeus! You also don't believe in Allah/Mohammad! I bet you don't believe in Wotan either! WE ARE BOTH GOING TO BURN for our unbelief!
     
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    Perhaps they won't. Until gays realize their wrongdoings and correct themselves. Why not? :peace:

    No, we can't. :psychoitc:
     
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    Today, in a more sane, more advanced world, those that "declare that they are indeed God Himself" are generally put into insane asylums......maybe you should cruise those asylums looking for OTHERS who are just as good as your "Jesus" is.
     
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    Gays, due to lower birth rates, generally, are better for the planet, of course. Can we agree that gays are best for the planet?
     
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    Perhaps he didn't have the time. Running the Universe is tough job and time consuming, you know. 8)
     
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    You'd keep innocent people, some who are more ethical and better for the world than you and I are, out of paradise and relegate them to being burned alive in a "lake of fire"??? I'm not sure you, ethically, you live with yourself. I am a former Christian, but I had to leave when I realized that god/Jesus is simply pure evil.
     
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    No, we can't. It's just savages have to stop breeding so much. :icon_yoda:
     
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    Good point!
    Yes, creating "acts of god" (deadly tsunamis, deadly earthquakes, deadly floods, etc., etc.), and helping people find their car keys when they pray to him, takes up so much time for the time-less god that he just can't seem to find the time to give us the final cure for childhood cancers.
    He needs an organizing make-over!
     
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    Maybe gays are good - maybe gays are god's way of helping us with the world over-population crisis that we are heading into.
     
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    Are you a loving parent? In other words, if you ever have a gay offspring, and if Jesus asked you "should we send your gay offspring to burn in hell, or not?", what would your answer be?
    If your answer is "no, please be loving and caring and spare my gay offspring from torture in hell", then you would be more loving than even Jesus is. Are you more loving than Jesus is?
     
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    G.O.D. is mysterious, isn't he?
     
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    Yes, we don't understand him very well - just like we don't understand Sauron, Bigfoot, and Nessie.

    Yes, 13.8 billion year-old invisible friends who live in the sky do TEND to be mysterious, for some strange reason.
     
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    No, he's a "she". Prove me wrong, if you can.
     
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    And they same the same about Christianity, and so on and so on, to infinity.
     
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    No, you need to repent of your unbelief .. in about 3000 other gods. All of them are watching you.
     
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    So there is a hell? And it's in a pit?
     
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    Wait - they don't watch me when I, er, uh, shall we say "have sex with no one else in the room", do they?
     

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