Germany announces support for Assad

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  1. Jeannette

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    A brilliant response, bravo. :applause:
     
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    I trust a Syrian election about as much as I do a Russian election at this point.

    Anyway, you claim that "psychopaths" planned to bomb Damascus - to what are you referring? Something 0bama was seeking congressional approval for years back? No, I would not support any war on our part against Syrian civilians or our supporting groups in Syria who would do the same. I also don't care for the idea of simply toppling Assad's government like we did Saddam's, given the mess that would ensue from it. Assad should be held to account for his crimes and forced to step down, but going in guns blazing won't accomplish this in a reasonable way, and I certainly would not want to see Syria taken over by Islamo-fascists. 0bama and Hillary both gambled wrong in trying to support an overthrow of Assad's government right when Syria was full of these violent radicals seeking to impose Sharia or some such crap. I must hesitatantly admit that Russia was right to step in and preserve the government, given the alternative possibilities. Our first priority should have been putting down radicals, not arming rebel groups in hopes that they would somehow manage a successful overthrow of Assad even while keeping all the radical groups at bay. This must have been the plan and it must have made sense to someone on paper, but it sure didn't work out, and really it had little chance of success without a pretty significant, lasting US presence on the ground in Syria.

    Bottom line, Syria was a mess and we only managed to make it a lot messier, and I don't know if any lasting good will come of it. So far the butcher is still in power and enjoys a good amount of popularity, and we're left looking like bloodthirsty fools. All that's left is for someone like you to come along and insist that our intent was evil all along; our actual results in Syria easily lend themselves to that interpretation, even if we actually meant well.
     
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    Used to be we did that ourselves :D
     
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    These sick bastards hack real accounts and steal identities including photos, emails and phone numbers. They then use them in case they need to prove they are real persons, uploading those photos. A Horsey got caught hacking an account but was let play his little game... Thanks to him, we know what they do and who they are but they don't have no single clue about us : )

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    Csar Nicholas II.. Ahahaha...
     
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    Hey, stop believing the propaganda. Assad never used chemicals. The first time they came in from Turkey. It was a false flag by the terrorists because they were being defeated by Assad's army, and they wanted the US to bomb Damascus to help them out.

    The chemical shipment was caught by the Turkish guards when they were entering Syria, and the Turkish newspaper Zaman found out. Erdogan's opposition then brought it up in parliament. The editor of Zaman ended up in jail. As I said before, I have the greatest respect for the Turkish journalists and their courage. No doubt they're all in jail now.

    The second false flag chemical attack last year, no one was ever able to go there and check it out. In other words all you get from Washington and the rest of their ilk is 'trust us'. We have proof, but the proof cannot be disclosed. If anyone believes that, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell.

    As for the Russians, they say they not only have definite proof the people in Douma died from a lack of oxygen, but that the British were involved in the whole set up with the terrorists.
     
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    Hint: some of the prominent members of the Kremlin troll crew here are donors.

    But we know where the money comes from and goes to. It's just sad : (
     
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    Speaking of propaganda, I recall you claiming that our strike was intended to destroy evidence of what "really happened" in Douma. Now don't you just feel silly?
     
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    Yeah, sure. "learn" doesn't go with the gerund (which is what you used incorrectly), "learn" needs the infinitive, hence, "learn to read."
    Still Merkel has nothing to do with nazis, which is what you claimed in your first comment that I quoted.
     
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    Assad gassed civilians because his boss in Moscow told him that there were western backed armed militia (commanded by some French special forces units, British intelligence and few Mossad assets) cornered in specific neighborhoods of Ghouta by RG led pro-regime forces.

    The boss in Moscow told Assad that their field agents (GRU) confirmed that these western units were camoed well by the civilians. They ordered Assad to do the unexpected to scatter the camo over the enemy. Assad barked yes and gassed the area. This is very common Russian hotspot tactic when the enemy uses civilians as shield. Check with Beslan and Dubrovka for further details about the tactic.

    The allies said enough is enough and cleared the threat by limited bombing campaign. That's what really happened there.
     
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    I'm not posting a formal essay here but yes, you're right. Merkel has a lot to do with the Nazis. It's been a while now since she's started to implement some of AfDs agenda that have never gone beyond rhetorical suggestions before. BND also got split up in between two cliques: pro EU vs pro Eurasian.
     
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    Sure, you were sitting with Assad at the dinner when Putin called him and told to use gas against civilians :D
     
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    Interesting.

    That might also explain the Fake News reports on Kremlin propaganda sites about British soldiers being captured in Ghouta...
     
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    Try it. See what that gets you.
     
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    Here's a bit from the always factual and insightful Moon of Alabama:

    Syria - Pentagon Hides Attack Failure - 70+ Cruise Missiles Shot Down

    The U.S. attack on Saturday was launched as revenge for an alleged 'chemical attack' by the Syrian government forces against the then 'rebel' held Damascus suburb Douma. The alleged 'chemical attack' never happened but was theater staged by the 'rebels' and their supporters after some people suffocated in a collapsed building.

    One hundred and five weapons against three targets would be a remarkable overkill. Just consider that the U.S. Tomahawk and JASSM cruise missiles and the British Skalp EG cruise missiles used in these attacks carry 450 kilogram (~1,000 pounds) of high explosives each. Did the U.S. military really plan to use 15 metric tons of high explosives against each target. That would be enough to blow up a whole town.

    The U.S. claims it sent 76 cruise missiles against the non-hardened, non-defended Barzeh research center. This was a small two story building complex and had just recently been declared free of chemical weapons and weapon research by the OPCW.

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    Barzeh Research center before and after
    Sure, the facility is destroyed. But by 34 tons of high explosives? Or by maybe 2 tons?
     
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    Ukrainians who don't want to live in the Russia kleptocracy.
    Well, then, they can pay for the privilege. If Putin want the whole say so, he can get the Russian people to puff up their impoverished chests and pony up the rubles--if they're dumb enough to do that.
    The West hasn't invaded the Soviet Union/Russia for nearly a century.
    Russia should be tossed out of Georgia and the Ukraine.
     
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  17. Jeannette

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    There are rumors going around Syria that American, British and Israeli soldiers are being held prisoners. But look I have a better idea, instead of blaming the Kremlin, how about going all out and blaming Putin?


    Hee, hee, hee!
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    Because Trump was stupid enough to make the same mistake that Obama made with a "Red Line" of sorts. He felt he HAD to act on it or else he would no longer be able to rip on Obama for doing nothing after his Red Line was broken.

    This really was nothing but a PR stunt.

    As to your comment about inspectors, that is an easy one. You do know that Russia and Syria have consistently disallowed any inspectors to see sites that are under scrutiny right?

    Pretty sure that is why "The West" is so sure that Syria/Russia is complicit in using chemical weapons against their own people. Because as you said yourself, "A refusal by the Syrian [or Russian] government to allow an inspection would be as good as an admission of guilt, which would have fully justified any action taken after."

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/946805/syria-chemical-attack-douma-russia

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-tampering-evidence-chemical-1.4621120

    --- "OPCW inspectors arrived in Damascus on Saturday and had planned to head to Douma, on the outskirts of the capital, on Monday. But the British delegation to the OPCW said Russia and Syria had not yet allowed inspectors access to Douma."


    I personally do not want us involved in any of that nonsense, they are killing their own people and yeah, it sucks. But I do not want to be the world police anymore.

    But based on your statement above, it seems you feel the bombings were justified.
     
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    It's called propaganda, my self-brainwashed friend.
     
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    Goody is Turkish, so take everything he says with that in mind.
     
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    If it was propaganda, I wouldn't say 'rumor', I would say things like 'Fake News reports from Washington propaganda sites' the way you do.

    I gather you don't like opposing views?
     
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    I don't like propaganda, which is what you constantly post here.
     
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    No. I'm against EU, against mass migration, for more prisons, more police, for popular initiative, against most foreign intervention, excepted extremly good circumstances like in Mali. I'm for gay marriage however.
    I see equality ideology as dangerous because leading to jealousy and leveling to the lowest level.

    Most of those positions are put in the far right category, so a lot of people see me as far right, I don't care of the race of people, only their personnal merit, that and my position on gat marriage make me for some people a leftist.
     
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    That would be a terrible act of cruelty for canadian.
     

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