Nope, sure don't. There are people suffering and dying here in the United States in greater numbers, why are we not helping them first? Every time we have tried to be the worlds police force it has done nothing but piss more and more people off. We are not willing to stay the course and nation build so all we are doing is creating more enemies. We do not have the balls to go full on to war and take out Assad (not saying we should) so what is the point in lobbing a few missiles over? It's all a PR game, trust me, the people at the top don't REALLY care about the Syrian people either. But if basically everyone in the world is pretty much shrugging at Assad gassing his people, why shouldn't I? Why pick an atrocity in Syria and ignore another in Nigeria? We cannot police the entire world, I am sick of being painted as the bad guy and sick of getting involved in these stuipd wars. Especially since the USA is about to become the #1 producer of energy in the world I could care less what goes on in the ME. If a full on war happens, then let's talk, but this is a Civil War that we seem to not really have a dog in the fight. We "support" the rebels, but not really .... Have you read about OUR Civil War? Sherman's drive to the sea? There were PLENTY of atrocities that happened there, that is just war, it sucks but that is just how it is. I don't think it is our job to get involved especially at such a limited scale as this. This "attack" was nothing other than a PR stunt to let Trump say that his Red Line comment was more true than Obama's Red Line comment. Trump ran on getting us out of Syria, this is the opposite, I am not impressed
Does anybody here see 76 missile strikes? For sure, some, but 76 missiles with 1,000 pounds of high explosives each? www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/syria-strikes/?utm_term=.1af2587bee02 The coalition hit the Barzah Research and Development Center outside Damascus with 76 missiles, destroying the facility and setting back Syrian chemical weapons capabilities “for years,” the U.S. military said in an initial assessment. The second and third targets were part of what the U.S. military described as the Him Shinshar chemical weapons complex outside the city of Homs. The military said the strikes “completely destroyed” the complex’s chemical weapons storage facility and “successfully hit and sustained damage” to the installation’s chemical weapons bunker. BEFORE: An image taken the day before the missile attack shows the Barzah research facility in northern Damascus. (satellite image ©2018 DigitalGlobe) AFTER: An image taken after the attack shows the research facility appears to have been destroyed. (satellite image ©2018 DigitalGlobe)
The U.S. should simply kill Assad and any subsequent dictators that turn out to be worse until we get an improvement.
What places in Germany are a six hour train ride apart? I thought the Germans are supposed to be efficient?
A lot of integrity there. Looks like she puts her finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. Assad will never desert his people as long as the Syrians want him as President - and the US and its cohorts can just lump it. They didn't move because of Assad, and you know it. They moved to escape the head choppers that Washington and its cohorts have been supporting. As for the Syrians, they are moving back thanks to Russia now that it has established safe zones. Germany should help though in rebuilding the country that Washington and its cohorts destroyed. They shouldn't let Russia carry the whole burden. But don't you know, the F.UK.US nations did bomb a chemical facility, and it was in the middle of Damascus and released all the gas components and killed off half the city. If the F.UK.US weren't lying and truly believed it was a chemical facility, then maybe their intent was to kill off all the Christian, Alawite and Shia refugees who ran to Assad for protection. Who knows with psychopaths, anything is possible.
Some Syrians want him, and they've managed to terrorise, kill and drive off a great many of the Syrians who did not.
If a president like Assad received 87% of the votes in his country, out of a turnout of 76% is a dictator, then what would you call those who received less votes than Assad? Just curious!
Wait, are you saying it was or wasn't a success? I personally have no clue how many missiles it would take to do that damage, but as per your pictures the facility looks completely destroyed. To me it looks like this actually WAS mission accomplished. A limited strike showing there is a line to be crossed, it got the point across. I still stand by my words that we should stay out of Syria however.
Hmm, interesting question .... Average speed of a train is what, 200 MPH in Germany? So 6 hours would be 1200 miles? Yeah I would have to agree, it would be tough to take a 6 hour train ride in Germany unless it was kinda meandering around from city to city. Germany looks like .... hmmm, maybe 600 miles East to West. North to South may be 6 hours though, I could see it I suppose
Sorta like Russia hanging not deserting Russians in Crimea. Putin is like the guest who won't leave the party. Maybe he needs to be thrown out. Why should Germany help Putin? You want Syria, you can pay up. Ah, yes, raising the question of where will Putin invade next.
Oh, yeah, it's destroyed. What I'm getting at is the dispute over whether a large part of these missiles were intercepted or not. The US is claiming all 100+ missiles found their targets, while the Syrian/Russian side say most were intercepted. Offering as proof of the effectiveness of these strikes, the US shows the site I posted, which is where 76 missiles supposedly hit. No argument that the site was hit, but by 76? I don't see it, which, if it really wasn't 76 but a lower figure, then there seems to be credibility to the Syrian claims of intercepting quite a few. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Hope I did better with this post.
Who is going to throw him out? Russia has been a *^#*hole since the breakup of the Soviet Union. With "strength" being one of the most sought after characteristic of humanity in Russia, the people actually for the most part DO LIKE Putin showing strength and getting them back on the world stage. The economy of Russia is still going down the drain, but if Putin keeps them looking strong in the media, he keeps a decent amount of support from his people who claim "The West is Evil and trying to invade us!!!" Doesn't help when you have actual people in the west like yourself making claims like "Maybe he needs to be thrown out"
Much! And thank you for the civil response. The military sites and forums I am a part of are claiming a likely "hit rate" of around 80%, the complete utter destruction of that site (wow, you have to admit it is pretty impressive how narrowly clustered the damage is.) is pretty impressive to show how "smart" weapons are today. Thankfully we don't have to carpet bomb cities anymore to get rid of one arms plant. When both sides make hilarious claims (US-100% success rate!!! vs Syria/Russia - 5% success rate!!!) makes it pretty obvious that the answer is somewhere in the middle. But the military forum guys in the past have been SUPER accurate in their comments and what I love about those forums, they don't care about politics for the most part. Simply just love military hardware. I bet the true answer is somewhere between 60-80% hit rate.
Yeah, I tend to split the difference in my mind when it comes to competing claims. The damage is in a tight cluster, which is impressive. I don't think the US wants to admit that old Soviet systems may have gotten some of them, though. Not good for arms sales. I was on a site earlier that showed a missile strike in Afghanistan where 9 missiles utterly destroyed an area of about the same size. So, if that's so or even close to being so, 76 is a lot of overkill with these missiles being over a million $ each.
Possible that Sobo is referring to a six hour ROUND TRIP train ride which would seem much more likely as Sobo IIRC actually lives what prior to 1990 would've been just inside East Germany, the southwest corner of that former country. From there to Kiel "might" be three hours by train if they make several stops
Million bucks a pop is a drop in the bucket, if anything that actually helps the American economy. From your article it states 105 weapons were used to strike 3 targets, all three targets appear to be pretty much annihilated from the pictures shown. Overkill or not, seems they did what they were meant to do.
The turnout in the Syrian election was 76% because they came from all over the world to vote for Assad. The ones who left Syria did so because someone in London and California were asking them to come to Germany, and they didn't want to live under sharia law. Would you? This is what Assad's army is fighting against, and it cost them 200 thousand lives. In Damascus there are millions of refugees who went there to be under Assad's protection. If the psychopaths bombed Damascus in support of ISIS and Al Nusra the way they planned, and the terrorists entered the city and massacred all the Christians and Alawites as they have been doing, would you have given a damn? I don't think so, even knowing it would have turned into the biggest massacre in history. All you would care about is how it can be twisted around and made to appear that Assad did it.
As i already said, this article is few days old. Guess you arent used to a purely machiavellian leader like Merkel who changes sides within splizseconds?
Would also be a good solution regarding the american president. We simply kill them until we get one acceptable for EU
The article does state 3 targets. The Syrian/Russian side says some airbase were targeted and one actually suffered some hits. Fog of war, disinformation, whatever. I really don't understand why they hit the supposed chemical weapons site with 76 missiles, though, and for 2 reasons. First, it is in a crowded city and if it was a chemical weapons site, the danger of killing innocents with the release of chemicals was high. Kind of weird if you're doing it to save lives. Secondly, the OPCW was in town so why not just have them go there and offer proof positive it was a chemical weapons site? A refusal by the Syrian government to allow an inspection would be as good as an admission of guilt, which would have fully justified any action taken after. Instead we get this 'take our word for it' justification which, given the fact that the OPCW was on the ground there, seems completely unnecessary.
If that was a chemical weapons facility, shouldn't the people in Damascus have been evacuated? Sounds a bit fishy doesn't it? Actually it it was used to test cures for cancer.
I think Germany has the right idea. Look, we all know Assad is an ***hole. We can all agree that his use of chemical weapons against civilians is disgusting. But even if we’d like to see Assad be replaced, is that really worth the risk of terrorists taking control of a leaderless Syria? I don’t think so, and obviously, neither does Germany!
