SHOCK!!! Petro Poroshenko personally gave the order to aim at the plane flying MH 17!!!

It's their job.Tehnicheskoe Zadanie (TZ), which is "Technical Assignment". Not all pro-Russians are trolls, but it's really easy to figure out which ones are. Just look at their most active times (have to coincide with Russia's time zone) and compare their statements with what is being stated in the Russian media.

Back in 2013 and 2014, I spent a lot of time fighting with Russian "Dezinformatsiya" (Disinformation) by exposing their trolls on their own websites and destroying their arguments. I was actually naive enough to believe they are real people posting their own opinions. One thing learned from all of this is you cannot defeat "Dezinformatsiya" (Disinformation). Facts to not matter. You could come up with all sort of evidence about their involvement in Ukraine, they will counter it with either links to Russian websites, bad attempts at countering your arguments, or if all fails name calling. They use a lot of name calling in those websites where moderation is weak.

The funny thing about it is that the only people who are easily manipulated by "Dezinformatsiya" (Disinformation) are Russians themselves. As much as RT and their trolls (who are active in every political forum) try to spread it, the only thing they are succeeding in is creating annoyance for the Western users who are sick of seeing these trolls flood every political discussion with regard to Russia or Ukraine. Some internet websites actually got rid of forums altogether because of this.

Although Western users are annoyed by this, these trolls have no been successful in changing their opinions. It's not like if Joe from Texas sees their comments about how Ukrainians are nazis and how Russia is the best and most democratic country in the world, he is going to change his mind. Joe does not watch Vremya Pokazhet" (Time Will Tell), popular Russian political show, so he will not care. It's a waste of money that Russia could have spent on improving the quality of life for the their citizens, which is in many parts of Russia on the level of a third-world-country.

 

You will see Poroshenko's provocation soon. Then it will be clear who is a Troll.

 

I don't really care about Ukraine or Poroshenko. I am Russian, not Ukrainian. What I care about are my own people who are still in Russia, who are suffering due to their economic conditions and their incompetent governments.

I haven't called anyone specifically a troll. I just said they exist on every forum. I also stated that not all people who support Russia are trolls. I have spoken to some real trolls in the past who admitted to me that they were paid, so I know they exist and I have a vague idea on how they work, but at this point I don't care about them.

Russia is a great country with so much potential. Their natural resources are being wasted, while their people live in poverty. They have to use propaganda to maintain support.

 

Please provide accurate sources/links for this supposed "chemical attack" that "will" happen according to you?

 

There is speculation that it was both gun shots from jets and a Buk. Six Buks were in the vicinity.

I wondered about Carlos because he was endangering himself and his family. Hopefully he is still alive. Carlos said that the Ministry of Internal Affairs knew about the accident immediately. That would be Avakov, who was also under suspicion with Kolomoisky for the burning and hacking of the protesters at Odessa.

Carlos also said that some men speaking a foreign language entered the control tower. It's off limits so why were they there? If the language was English, German or Russian he would have recognized it, so what were they speaking? I wonder if some country is involved, and they are trying to keep it hidden.

Then there is the possibility that it was mistaken for the plane Vladimir Putin was in. He was coming from Brazil, and it was the route to the Russian air base - or so I believe. The Malaysian airliner is similar in appearance to Putin's plane. If that was the intent, then definitely the Kremlin knows about it.

 

eventually we will know who possessed that BUK missile that shot down the plane.

it will most likely be Russia or their rebel forces.

 

They say the eyes are the reflection of the soul, well just look at those demonic pin pricks. He has no soul. Poroshenko is pure evil. When the militia was ready to close the cauldron at Debaltsevo and entrap 5,000 men, he told the officers to leave before it closed, but not to tell the men. They had no idea they were trapped. They were left without orders. One of the officers remained and spoke with the militia. He was told that his men were free to go, but they weren't to take any heavy equipment.

The officer then called Kiev, and his superior told him to leave with his staff in light vehicles and have his men follow in the heavier ones. Needless to say the men were all killed. About 3,000 men were killed at Dabaltsevo, mostly by friendly fire since they only had 2 weeks training and didn't know how to man the equipment.

After Poroshenko killed off half his men, he visited them dressed in a military uniform and handed out medals for their bravery.

 

russia doesn't have legitimate news sources, it's all state propaganda supporting Tsar Vlad the Invader...any real journalists fear for their lives if they criticize or challenge the Tsar with the truth...interesting how russia has reverted back to pre-revolution conditions, Tsar Nikolai II would feel like nothing has changed if he were still alive...

 

how likely is it untrained rebels would be given a sophisticated missile system to play with? these were fulltime russian military units...

 

Ukrainian air defense forces with BUK missiles were there:

 

Why do you desire an echo chamber? Those posters complaining about trolls seldom have a good argument to support their chosen side, get depressed and start yelling troll.

 

I think the similarity in the paint schemes may have helped inspire the use of the dead and brain dead passengers and crew from flight MH370 (assuming MH370 was a decompression accident) on the MH17 false flag operation as it would help send a message to Putin.

The fighter planes that fired into the sides of MH17's cabin would have been to make sure the auto-pilot was deactivated at the right time as hitting MH17 with the buk may have only ended up putting shrapnel into an already dead crew.

The killing of Putin's driver in an accident involving Putin's limo when Putin was not in it was another message being sent to Putin.

 

So full of ****. Your buckets of it runneth over

 

It was Ukraine with the help of the US due to availability of correct resources in the right places and time and compelling motivation.

 

Hardly....usually when the trolls argument gets destroyed they resort to name calling, threats, character assassination etc, other than any kind of intelligent rebuttal.

 

The low class vatniks usually attack/shell their own , then turn around and try to blame the ukranians for the crimes,LOL.

 

Hmmm, nothing but errors when this was opened! Typical!

 

We'll see that soon.

 

Tell that to the 150 foreign news outlets in Russia like the Moscow Times.

As for Tsar Nicholas II, he had a free press, and it's what the Bolsheviks used to spread propaganda and lies - similar to what the MSM is doing today. This is why the first thing the Bolsheviks did was take control of the press - which is similar to what our government has done with the MSM corporate news outlets.

Here's a dose of reality. Nicholas II had the plans made up to distribute all his lands to the serfs, but he was waiting for the war to end to carry it through. The Bolsheviks had a short time to implement their takeover, so with their usual dishonesty, they spread rumors that it was the lands of the nobility that he wanted to break up, so he would lose their support. But that's no surprise, lies, hypocrisy and criminality always go hand in hand.

The Bolsheviks lied to the peasants as well and told them that they were going to give them land, which as we know the Bolsheviks never did. So my advice is; stop making black/white, and white/black, unless you are following the same Trotsky ideologue play book, that can only lead to our own demise.

A week before the airliner was shot down, the Saker wrote up that Kiev had moved 4 Buks into the area. He couldn't understand why. As for the rebels, they didn't have the training to man a Buk, the Ukrainians did.

There have been quite a few assassination attempts on Vladimir Putin. This is why the Kremlin decided to stop using foreign limousines for government officials, and now have their own line and presidential limousine.

Knowing the criminality of Kiev and the countries who support it, it's highly possible. I assume the scenario will be a military attack first on Donbas, and then the chemical attack so Nato could have an excuse to bomb. If they do, they will be bombing Russian troops, which is not too smart. Vladimir Putin said Ukraine is a red line, so it's crazy. I'm sure Russia has enough agents to destroy the chemicals, but I'm also sure they put them in a populated area as a deterrent.

As for any Ukrainian troops that would die, I'm sure Poroshenko couldn't give a damn. From what I read thousands of his troops are dying anyway from retaliatory attacks by the Donbas Republics. Besides Poroshenko cherry picks the ones that should die. I love people like him, who used every illicit means to make money, and then having raised themselves in the eyes of those with the same standards as themselves, believe themselves gods and the ultimate decision makers.

 

Putin knows about chemical weapons in Ukraine, so he warned about the RED LINE.

 

no kidding?? Putinka knows he kinda ****ed up in donbass, wasnt expecting the pushback i guess , so now he doesnt know exactly what to do...other than keep supplying weapons to unreliable "rebels"...hoping for some "Hail Mary". I can post bother pics of russki involvement here if you like....i do have a RELIABLE source in the ukranian military in the DMZ there. So any BS you post here i can verify it shortly.)

 

I really want to see evidence of your lying source.

 

I've known this conflict since it began.: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/....html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=1

 

Then in the next post you say "The low class vatniks" and end the sentence with a "LOL". How are you not behaving exactly the way you are accusing posters from the other side of the debate you describe as trolls? What does that then make you?

 

Hmmm, so the "rebels" adopt what looks to be a Confederate flag of the US civil war?? Really? What the vatniks have no originality? Then again you've always been impudent thieves, stealing others ideas.