Criminalisation of Pregnancy

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    197 CCW licenses issued in a county of 10.2 million people.

    Most of those on the list are friends of the Sheriff and the rich.

    Here's the CA auditor findings.

    https://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf
     
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    If you don't live here, its easy to think that this could not be happening in a free country, but my post sadly contains 100% truth and accuracy. I wish I was wrong.

    There are only 197 conceal carry permits for 10 million+ people. If you are not a judge or a politician, you can still fill out the form and wait for your rejection. You will not be issued a CCW.

    Open carry of an unloaded firearm is a misdemeanor. Carrying a concealed could be a felony.

    Women are legally allowed to take their guns to the shooting range, how many rapists go there to find victims?
     
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    Just so you know.....192 is not zero.
     
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    Just so you know, 197 out of 10.2 million pretty much is zero.

    Once you subtract the Sheriffs friends, anti-gun celebrities, and the 1% I bet it's 0.

    But sure. Not zero.

    Just 0.00002 %.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay....so he actually meant "Pretty Much Zero" which is now ZERO.

    So 0.1=O now....interesting.
     
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    Lets change RoeVWade to allow 0.00002% of women who want abortions to get them.

    It's not zero!

    We didn't ban abortions!
     
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    Yes, effectively zero.

    I can't believe you're trying to defend this level of ridiculousness.

    Hey, Hitler didn't kill all the jews! 0.00002% survived!
     
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    But the question remains does it have more rights than the woman? Remembering that the heart beats independently
     
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    Yes so if the woman has a threat to her life then she should be able to deal with it. Question is does the rights of the foetus override the rights of the woman?
     
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    Unfortunately if you read the full articles I linked to there is serious assault upon the rights of women
     
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    I dont recall saying I support keeping the fetus if the mothers life is in danger because of it. If I did please let me know.
     
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    So unable to address the OP you take the thread off topic?
     
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    So you are fine with the cases quoted where the woman has been forced to undergo a Caesarian despite the fact it contributed to her death?
     
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    So what is an acceptable point of endangerment?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/miscarriage-murder-roevwade-personhood

    So once pregnant a woman becomes a "special class of person"?
     
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    And who will oversee that? Se here in QLD that is the current situation but we have abortion clinics openly operating.
     
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    Sure, all 650,000 abortions last year were because the mothers life was threatened or she was raped.
     
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    Pregnancy is a complicated topic.

    I learned how to do emergency C-sections for my advanced first aid and emt cert.

    But a woman/lady probably would not survive one of my C-sections.

    The idea is that if a pregnant woman is shot and killed, you would want to deliver the fetus by emergency C-section as quickly as possible, within 2 or 3 minutes, before the ambulance can arrive. Otherwise the child will also die.

    That's everything I know about C-sections, since you asked.
     
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    How do/ would you know if it were not so? Those records are sealed under the privacy act so if a woman here in Qld were having an abortion and it was not to protect her health or life then how do you know?

    Read Bayliss case it set a legal precedent

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...-protects-abortion-doctors-20090901-f5qf.html

    But they could not prosecute at all the first time they tried to shut Bayliss down because they could not open those medical files

    I doubt anyone could access the woman's medical file under HIPPA so you would see similar issues
     
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    pregnancy is extremely complicated - more than you would believe

    As are the issues associated with it. I use the example of the woman who suddenly finds herself homeless and pregnant. Often because the partner has decided HE did not want to be a Dad. She may face the choice of starve or have an abortion
     
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    I work with homeless people quite often.

    In the winter my fraternity passes out blankets to them.

    In the summer we collect blankets to give to them in the winter.

    The females are mostly toothless except for the very young ones.

    If they cannot afford condoms they have no business having sex.

    Sex is for people ready to have a family.

    Homeless are not ready.

    Neither are teens.

    Most homeless mothers give birth to crack addicted babies.

    Might as well abort them and get it over with. They will die young anyway.
     
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    What part of kicked out are you not understanding?

    BTW and here is my near daily education session on condoms

    Are you aware that with "typical" use 18 out 100 women who rely on condoms will get pregnant. Unwanted pregnancy anyone?
     
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    Well that would be because they keep statistics on it.

    1.5% are from rape and incest

    Less than 1% are to save the womans life.

    https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/life-issues/dignity-of-human-life/abortion-statistics
     
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    The fetus is harming the woman.

    You cannot harm someone without their consent.
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    If the woman withdraws consent for the fetus to harm/use her body then out it goes.





    Socrates is dead.....and obviously was too stupid to know about all the women aborting their fetuses when he was alive... women didn't care then about his opinion either.




    If men only quit thinking with their penis we wouldn't have a problem.

    Philosophy has NOTHING to do with a woman's right to her own body...
     
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    Bowerbird said:
    So you are fine with the cases quoted where the woman has been forced to undergo a Caesarian despite the fact it contributed to her death?






    Ya, know ,this post had nothing to do with the post you quoted which advertises loudly that you have nothing.
     
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