https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/15/criminalisation-pregnancy-women-study How far should the law go to prevent abortion? Already there are serious cases where the so called "rights of the unborn" have seemingly negated the rights of the woman.
Hopefully this nation does not fall into the pseudo-fascism trap and allow religion to dictate human rights...if it does we are no longer worthy of respect and I tell my female friends and family to move elsewhere. Likely the few women in Republican power will fight against it but, the party is no longer predictable as far as decency.
Thank you It is refreshing to read this take on this problem because it is very much about rights and whose rights are paramount the woman or the potential child. There have even been moves in some states to make a fertilised egg a "person"
And , ya know, women should be made aware of that..what will happen will affect ALL women....and yet Democrats sit by like meek little mice and do NOT challenge these Anti-Rights activists...
What about this case? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/miscarriage-murder-roevwade-personhood They lost both the mother and the child and put the family through ****
I don't care for either side, but the left is working hard to strip women of their right to defend themselves. In addition to attacking the second amendment, free speech has been attacked as well. I live near the college where the dems were free to have their Hillary rally, but everyone else had to go to the "Free speech zone" You are 100% right that repubs have no damn business telling women what to do with their uteri, but dont try to sell us on dems being some kind of defenders of rights. Its BS.
Utter Bullcrap The right is the one who is trying to take away women's right to self defense....they want women FORCED to be assaulted by a fetus with no recourse... And NO one is trying to take away our guns.... BTW, this is the abortion forum and if anyone can't present facts on abortion without bringing in gun rights then they have nothing. The two are not comparable.
BS. I live in the bluest part of the bluest state and no CCWs are issued except for politicians. That's great news for rapists and murderers. Between that and the dems attacks on first amendment rights, you dems are as bad if not worse when it comes negating rights. You brought rights into the discussion "That seems to be what the Right wants ...negating the rights of women...." and in doing so, you have exposed your hypocrisy. Your line (in bold) exposes a bit more about you. Thanks for that gem.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Utter Bullcrap The right is the one who is trying to take away women's right to self defense....they want women FORCED to be assaulted by a fetus with no recourse... And NO one is trying to take away our guns.... BTW, this is the abortion forum and if anyone can't present facts on abortion without bringing in gun rights then they have nothing. The two are not comparable. Nope, not going to get into an exchange about guns. This I the abortion forum, if you have a need to discuss guns take it to the gun whine, er, gun forum. The right to one's own body is more important than whether or not the boogie man is coming to take away your gun. ...and you didn't/can't refute one word of my post.
Since there are pro's and con's for this issue on both sides, it is really hard to say. Last night I was having dinner with some friends who firmly believe that if the fetus has its own heartbeat then it is alive and should be accorded human rights.
After opening the discussion up to negating rights, you would like to narrow it back down to abortion only as you have become entangled in your own web of hypocrisy. You started the exchange about negating rights, not me. I can absolutely refute your claim that no one is trying to take guns away. Here in CA, new laws prevent the sale or transfer of certain guns, meaning that my children may not inherit them. So what happens to them? A woman's right to self defense does not exist in super-blue Los Angeles. If she leaves her home with a gun in her pocket, she becomes a felon. If a rapist decides she is next, she becomes a victim. I suppose you can always claim that you are a champion of women's rights because you graciously allowed her to carry a rape whistle. Perhaps dems can ban Assault fetuses!
I am sorry you can't tell the difference between taking away American citizens right to their own body and their right to own a gun. The former is much more important and the latter hinges on that. If you think taking away women's right to their own body is the end, you are wrong... Why don't you argue guns in a gun rights forum …and warn your fellow gun worshippers that taking away a BASIC right from some of the citizens( the right to their own body) makes it much easier to take away MORE rights from ALL citizens. But, no, you seem so much happier calling me a hypocrite...which really means nothing to me and does nothing for you and your guns
A live fetus is alive, your friends are very confused. A woman's liver is alive, should it be a legal person with rights? Ask your friends why the fetus should have more rights than anyone else and none of the restrictions we all have... They think the fetus should be able to use another's body to sustain a life....NO one has that right.
Yes, for BORN persons...BORN persons, and that includes WOMEN, have the right to their own body, the right not to have anyone or anything harm it ….
I bet you regret bringing up women's rights. When a rapist denies a woman the right over what happens to her body, democrats have given him an advantage by denying her the right to defend herself. Your degree of hypocrisy does not affect my happiness. You democrats limit women to rape whistles and pepper spray, but suddenly become champions of women's rights when they are "assaulted by fetuses"!!! (I love that line) You should work to ban assault fetuses!!! The best part is that you consistently mock others for being just like you. Thanks for the laugh!
. Has never happened. It's Anti-Choicers who want to determine who women can defend themselves against and who they can't.. Women have a right to defend themselves against anyone and anything that harms them.
They are using the "Scarcity" tactic in Kentucky....we now have One(1) abortion clinic and our Governor is trying very hard to make even that close.
You are 100% wrong. Here in democrat-controlled Los Angeles, ZERO CCWs are issued. Only gang members and politicians carry guns. If a woman takes a gun out of her home, she would be thrown in jail, just like the cons would throw her in jail for having an abortion. You simply cannot claim you care about women's rights when you draw a line between protecting them from "assault fetuses" and from murderers and rapists. Just like the reps stop caring about babies the moment they take their first breath, dems stop caring about womens rights the moment she wants to protect her body from being raped or killed. Since women may not choose to carry protection, democrats have effectively become anti-choicers. Thank you for bringing up womens rights. Our mothers, wives, sisters and daughters should never have the right to their bodies limited to abortion only.
