The Trump/Putin Alliance

I dont think that Alaska has come up. As to who goes to whom it does not matter to me as long as we are talking. Besides if Russia is such a 2nd rate military power why do we need NATO? Either they are a threat deserving of a coalition of nations to oppose or they are a 2nd rate military power that can be humored then ignored,

 

I guess it's back to Russia since Stormy Daniels didn't have the goods.

 

The Justice Department’s special counsel announced Friday the indictments of a dozen Russian military officers involved in Moscow’s effort to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election.

Trump said he would ask Putin about it.

“I will absolutely bring that up. I don’t think you’ll have any, ‘Gee, I didn’t, I didn’t, you got me,’” he told reporters. “I don’t think you’ll have any Perry Mason here. I don’t think. But you never know what happens. But I’ll very firmly ask the question.”

Trump told reporters he would ask the question they are the most interested in.

The man is the President of the United States, and Russia interfered in our elections. He is not asking about that because he is interested. He is asking the question because reporters are interested.

That is what he said.

 

I notice that you didn't go into detail as the charges are that these Russian Intelligence "hackers" supposedly got into the Democrats computers - the very computers the Democrats didn't want the FBI to help in securing from attack - the same computers the Pakistani immigrant Awan Family were in charge of - the same computers that were exposed to the world ion wikileaks.

This is nothing more than the usual Mueller throwing out a hook in the hopes he might snare something - remember the Russian companies Mueller subpoenaed that actually showed up, looking to clear thjeir names of the false accusations from Muellers group.

Can you spell "witch hunt".

 

Are you doubting that the GRU broke into those computers?

Special counsel Robert Mueller just indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers, accusing them of interfering in the 2016 US presidential election.

They are charged with hacking the computer networks of members of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They allegedly coordinated to release damaging information to sway the election.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/17568806/mueller-russia-intelligence-indictment-full-text

"the same computers the Pakistani immigrant Awan Family were in charge of - the same computers that were exposed to the world ion wikileaks." I have no idea what you are talking about. Do You?

"remember the Russian companies Mueller subpoenaed that actually showed up, looking to clear thjeir names of the false accusations from Muellers group." I have no idea what you are talking about. Do You?

You have a history of making things up as you go along. Is that the case here?

 

I don't believe there is any such alliance. Or ever was.

 

Our allies and Republicans on the hill are very worried. Shoot-from-the-hip Trump and his enormous ego seem oblivious to the coming storm.

He’s insisting on a quiet one-on-one chat, away from the ears of the aides who almost always accompany such high-stakes diplomatic meetings.

There will be no notes taken. No official records made.

There will be no witnesses to what takes place between them.

So there will be no evidence of any agreements reached or compromises being made.

Trump's 18-month foreign policy experience is a series of debacles. Please see http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/trumps-conflicting-foreign-policy.536105/

Trump talks way too much. His emotions and, often times, state secrets are on his sleeves.

The former KGB agent has been at it for over 20 years, and he is going to be prepared.

Putin is going to eat Trump's lunch.

Experts are hoping we still own Alaska when all this is over.

 

You have a serious case of TDS that prevents you from seeing the truth. Everyone can easily see that Obama was a severe disappointment to his followers; other than a very damaged Obamacare, he left no lasting legacy and a very fractured and vulnerable Democrat party in his wake - you should stop blaming President Trump for being twice the man and one hundred times the President that Obama was. If I were you I'd be worried about the future of the Democrat Party.

Regarding your rebuttal:

First off, I don't care who broke into those DNC computers - as any idiot witrh a computer should know, you need to have security protocols in place - less so for a home computer, more so for business and government. The FBI says the DNC refused their offer to audit the DNC computer security systems Since the FBI are known to be trustworthy and the DNC are known prevaricators, I tend to believe the FBI. The DNC are trying to make their incompetence into a "blame the Russians" moment - without any proof that the Russians actually hacked into their computers.

The Democrats’ careless and negligent hiring and password management practices proves one thing: Occupational competence alone does not guarantee security. There is too much sensitive information at stake, and too many parties want to use that information to cause damage (and will pay well for access to it). This means that every precaution, no matter how time-consuming or tedious, must be taken. This includes, but is not limited to, extensive background and belief checks coupled with adapting anti-subterfuge security practices. The DNC did not do this.

I have a hard time believing that you don't know who the Awan Brothers are. They were originally hired by Debbie Wasserman-Schlitz - you might know her as the DNC Chairperson before she was fired for incompetence and other criminal acts.

Check out "Concord Management and Consulting" which is one of the Russian companies previously subpoenaed by Mueller last spring along with several other Russian companies and 12 "un-named Russian operatives". Concord showed up and immediately asked for discovery. Of course, the embarrassing situation was buried by Mueller and his fake news sycophants as quickly as possible. Muller is a deep state Democrat hack who couldn't find a safe if it was under his bed. It's been about 18 months and he is reduced to chasing down "alleged" Russian spies for "supposedly" hacking into the "un-secured" DNC computers. When can we expect those spies to show up at court?

You continue to formulate the silliest excuses to smear President Trump while anyone who studies the political landscape can see that your "assumptions" are built on allegations, accusations, innuendo and speculation.

President Trump has set the American Political system on its head and he is doing the same to the rest of the world. Everyone except the gullible and the elite are on his side - yet you appear to have a hard time seeing it.

 

Sandy, IIRC you've been around a while and you served in the military. Sure you know that the U.S. harping on its European NATO allies to increase their defense spending has been going on almost constantly since 1970 more or less.

Hell IIRC it was a Democratic member of Congress (Mansfield) who introduced legislation to reduce the number of American troops deployed to Europe by at least half at one point.

 

Would this be anything like the Obama/Putin alliance? You know like the big RESET program with Hillary running the ceremony with a big red misspelled "reset" button? Or maybe the, "Tell Vladimir to just wait until after my reelection, then I'll get him what he wants?" Or is it just Obama turning a blind eye to known Russian attempts to hack our systems?

 

Britain is our most powerful and most reliable ally. This has been true for over 100 years. For an American President to spurn Britain, for an American President to go out of his way to anger the leadership and the people of Britain is to give new meaning to the phrase, "shooting yourself in the foot."

Yesterday, standing right alongside Prime Minister Theresa May in a joint press conference, Trump said, "Boris Johnson would be a great Prime Minister."

I have no words to describe the total incomprehensible nature of that remark.

Hadley Freeman, writing for the Guardian, said, "The World Cup has started bringing England back together. Loathing Trump is something I honestly feel the whole UK can get around."

Good, Freeman said it for me.

Going into the summit Monday, Putin has to be enormously pleased with this development.

 

I see that you follow the fake news practice of taking the statements of President Trump out of context - the other part of the conversation "“I have a lot of respect for Boris. He obviously likes me, and says very good things about me.....I was very saddened to see he was leaving government and I hope he goes back in at some point....I think he is a great representative for your country....

Asked if the ex-minister could be in No 10 one day... he replied: “Well I am not pitting one against the other." Hello? Hello - "I am not pitting one against the other." doesn't sound like an insult to May - it sounds to me that President Trump likes Johnson and said so.

President Trump says what has to be said - and he doesn't pull his punches. In example, he asked why Germany depends 100% on Russian energy when they could level the trade imbalnnce through buying energy from the USA - which also ties into NATO where Germany, the richest country in NATO, pays less than 1.5% GDP of the committed 2%, while the US pays 4% of GDP against the committed 2%.

You can spin and twist the facts all that you want - but the truth will always win out.

 

I hope you didn't spend much time on this diversion. Your statement says it all. You don't care about the Russian interference in our election. I know you don't. Neither does Trump. Neither do his followers.

Thank you for the assist.

Now back to the topic of this thread, the Trump/Putin alliance.

The special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election issued an indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers on Friday.

Trump's reaction was what we have come to expect from him. He blames Obama for the interference in our election, not his pal, Putin. “The stories you heard about the 12 Russians yesterday took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administration,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?”

Obama did, but let's not let facts get in the way of Trump's deceptive message to his gullible base.

On the subject of Russian interference Trump is going to hammer it home when he speaks to Putin.

Yeah, when pigs fly.

Trump said that he will “of course” raise the issue of Moscow’s interference in the 2016 election at his Monday summit with Putin, but he said he has little recourse if — as expected — Putin denies that Russia interfered.

“Look, he may. What am I going to do? He may deny it,” Trump said at a news conference last week. “All I can do is say, ‘Did you?’ And, ‘Don’t do it again.’ But he may deny it.”

Think of it. Trump is telling us that all the President of the United States can do is ask if Putin interfered in our election. That is bizarre.

At a news conference on Friday with U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May, Trump said, “I will absolutely, firmly ask the question. I don’t think you’ll have any ‘Gee, I did it, I did it, you got me. There won’t be a Perry Mason here, I don’t think, but you never know what happens, right?"

Obviously, the Russian interference in our 2016 Presidential election is just a big joke to Trump. It is what one might expect from Putin's ally.

Many shudder at the secret meeting Trump will have with Putin. Kim successfully played Trump, getting three major concessions from him without giving up a thing. Putin is ten times the negotiator Kim could only dream about.

 

Tell me how adding that to Trump's comments would detract from his moronic statement. Standing right alongside Prime Minister Theresa May in a joint press conference, Trump said, "Boris Johnson would be a great Prime Minister."

How would Trump's mutual adoration of Boris change the character of Trump's infantile insult of the British P.M.?

Answer: It wouldn't change a thing.

Trump talks a lot. I was writing a post, not a book. Criticizing me because I didn't include some of Trump's statements is pretty ridiculous.

Trump said what he said, and adding more of his rhetoric wouldn't change a thing.

Yes, that is true. He managed to insult nearly every NATO leader, just as he managed to insult every allied leader at G-7.

Why does he pull his punches with communist dictators, the former KGB officer, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, and Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea the Workers' Party of Korea?

Would care to explain that, comrade?

 

Tell me all about that program, and we will compare.

"Tell Vladimir to just wait until after my reelection, then I'll get him what he wants?" That is not what Obama said. He said, “This is my last election … After my election I will have more flexibility.”

I never could understand why Republicans made such a big deal of this. This was in 2012. Obama could not run again. Obviously, since he never would have to run again, he would have more flexibility as President.

Tell me, why was his statement such a big deal. I'm dying to know.

 

Nice use of the word, Perhaps.
I explain to Euros that doesn't use that word much because it is so indefinitive.



Consider: Trump is just trying to end the ridiculous polarization
between and its' West vs Russia.
Some European nations are now declining to observe the sanctions.
I believe mostly in the agricultural south that needs the Russian market.
Never compensated for their loss when the sanctions were initiated.

Polarized relations between and their West, and Russia is just not beneficial.
Especially with other parties now major players. Such as China, Iran, maybe India.
Trumps behavior is very rational in a multi pole world.
The policies of how we got to this polarization with Russia should be examined.
Such as breaking promises by moving NATO troops closer to the Russian border.
Or the putsch in Ukraine.
Clinton - Bush - Obama foreign policies.

Bravo Trump
Credit where credit is due.​

@Sandy Shanks, can you give Trump credit for anything or is he totally, 100% wrong and bad?


Moi
I can say something bad about Trump.
He didn't get us out of Afghanistan and
other foreign deployments as promised.

Russia's Polar Partner
It ain't all geography.​

 

True, but other Presidents didn't threaten the leaders of our allies. Trump threatened his fellow NATO leaders in an emergency meeting that if each country didn’t start spending at least 2 percent of its gross domestic product on defense by January, he would “do his own thing.”

Other Presidents didn't lie about it. Hailing himself as a “stable genius,” he took “total credit” for persuading his allies to increase military spending beyond established markers — a claim that was immediately undercut by European leaders. Macron of France rejected Trump’s assertion that the NATO allies had agreed to anything that was not already in place. “A communiqué was issued yesterday. This communiqué is clear. It reaffirms the 2 percent by 2024 commitments. That’s all.” The commitment to the 2% level was made in 2014, over two years before Trump took office.

Mansfield wasn't the President at NATO summit angering every leader in sight. The bill was never acted upon. Your point?

 

Yes, he views Putin as a "competitor," not an enemy. By some coincidence, this "competitor" helped Trump become President. I would suggest an ulterior motive to Trump friendliness toward Putin.

Russia's aggression against Ukraine, her illegal annexation of Crimea, Putin's support of the murderous Syrian dictator, Russia's alliance with Iran, and her interference in our Presidential election is not beneficial, either. Might I dare suggest that Russia change its behavior before we start labeling her a just "competitor." In the rational world -- that excludes Trump -- Russia is a hostile foreign power and should be treated as such.

You don't ask Putin if he interfered in our election. You tell him he interfered in our election and what we are going to do about it.

But Trump won't do that. In his own words, Trump said he will ask Putin about it.

Yes, perhaps he can equal the tremendous success he had at Singapore.

Credit for what? What exactly has he accomplished?

 

I knew it.
ttfn

 

Some say rotten tomato, some say nice red veggie on the burger.

 

Why does Trump want a secret meeting with Putin? Trump's behavior regarding Putin and Russia can be explained in one way. I don't know what it is -- a sexual escapade, money laundering, Trump has a connection to the Russian mafia, something -- but Putin has something on Trump. That is why Putin wanted Trump to be President. Prior to the election, Trump was not soft on communism and dictators with a connection to Putin, Kim and Xi.

Maybe that is why Trump wants a private meeting with Putin. He wants to discuss the hold Putin has on him.

Yes, all that is pure speculation, but it fits with other things we know. For example, we know Manafort and Gates had connections to Russia. We know they were involved in money laundering. We know Trump hired both to run his campaign and Manafort became his campaign manager and was responsible for organizing the Republican National Convention.

We know Trump encouraged Russian interference in our election. We know Trump encouraged WikiLeaks to distribute the Russian hacks.

On July 27, 2016, Trump said, Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

• October 10, 2016 in Wilkes-Barre, PA: "This just came out," Trump said. "WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks."
• October 12, 2016 in Ocala, FL: "This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable," Trump said. "It tells you the inner heart, you gotta read it."
• October 13, 2016 in Cincinnati, OH: "It's been amazing what's coming out on WikiLeaks."
• October 31, 2016 in Warren, MI: "Another one came in today," Trump said. "This WikiLeaks is like a treasure trove."
• November 4, 2016 in Wilmington, OH: "Getting off the plane, they were just announcing new WikiLeaks, and I wanted to stay there, but I didn't want to keep you waiting," said Trump. "Boy, I love reading those WikiLeaks.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wikileaks-campaign-speeches-julian-assange-2017-11

Yeah, they have plenty to talk over in that private meeting.

 

So, you know nothing about the Russian reset, and you can't support what you said about Obama.

That is par for the course for a member of Trump's cult. Ask what they are talking about and they run and hide. Happens all the time. Here is another example.

Yes, that is the entire message. I made the mistake of asking him what he was talking about.

 

Don't know where your getting your information, but it's wrong

Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
www.newsweek.com/trump-tank-killing-missile-fight-russia-ukraine...
The Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …

 

I such lines.

I mean whose money is Ukraine using to purchase these anti tank missiles?

Someone, please let me know.

Gracias

Moi

It's ain't money
That's fershur​

 

An objective observer would find some degree of accomplishment in all of President Trumps successes. Yet you find none! All that you have is a continuing stream of never-ending negitavism. There is rarely any proof in anything you state. Take a look at the "quotes" you posted:

• October 10, 2016 in Wilkes-Barre, PA: "This just came out," Trump said. "WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks."
• October 12, 2016 in Ocala, FL: "This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable," Trump said. "It tells you the inner heart, you gotta read it."
• October 13, 2016 in Cincinnati, OH: "It's been amazing what's coming out on WikiLeaks."
• October 31, 2016 in Warren, MI: "Another one came in today," Trump said. "This WikiLeaks is like a treasure trove."
• November 4, 2016 in Wilmington, OH: "Getting off the plane, they were just announcing new WikiLeaks, and I wanted to stay there, but I didn't want to keep you waiting," said Trump. "Boy, I love reading those WikiLeaks.

How is it you avoid discussing the subjects of the wikileaks the President talked about -
How is it you never consider the arrogance and incompetence of the DNC in allowing their computers to be so vulnerable.
Why aren't you asking about why the DNC refused FBI help?

Your hate for President Trump and the Trump agenda is puzzling in that he is winning for those Americans who have needed a winning hand. He is winning for the Working American families that the Democrat Party deserted. He is winning for all of the believers in the American way of life and the American dream.

And you don't even see it.