The Trump/Putin Alliance

What's the difference? Trump sent Ukraine the weapons to defend themselves with. Why doesn't he get some credit from you Liberals. Obama refused to give them weapons and you guys don't say a damn word.

 

Big diff if it is tax payer money earmarked for
Lockheed/Boeing profits.


I do believe Trump's consistency is he does try deescalate.
Meeting N. Korea rocket man or Putin.
It is like NIXON going to China
or Sadat going to Tel Aviv.
A greatness void in Clinton - Bush the Junior - Obama.
And Sec. of State Hillary too. Got shuttle diplomacy? ala Kissinger

Think "change".
Be Biological, not Geological.

 

Trump said Obama was informed about the Russian interference in September, two months before the election. "Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?"

Americans were warned of the interference by our intelligence agencies on Oct. 7, one month before the election.

All of that fits with the research I have done on the period.

In December, Obama imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. President-elect Trump took exception to this and he ordered his future NSA, Mike Flynn, to discuss the matter with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak. Following that discussion, Putin stated he would not retaliate to Obama's sanctions and would take the matter up with the incoming administration.

Later, Flynn lied about the phone call and that is what got him fired. In the Russian probe, Flynn has been working with Mueller for the past year.

More can be found on this link. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...with-the-russians-during-the-election.498772/

Obama and Americans are the victims here. Trump blames Obama for the Russian intrusion, and he has never once blamed Putin. That is akin to blaming FDR for the attack on Pearl Harbor.

No doubt Obama should have done more, but we are talking about two months here. What could he have done in two months to stop Russia and WikiLeaks from influencing our election? That is a very good question. Chances are, not much.

We know this. In eighteen months, Trump has done absolutely nothing. He has not even blamed Putin for interfering in our election. He promises to ask Putin about it at their summit.

Trump's NSA, SecState, SecDef, DNI (Coats), all our intelligence agencies, and the vast majority to Congressional Republicans all blame Putin for interference in our election. Trump blames Obama. Trump refuses to order steps to prevent Russia from doing it again.

 

Your link was mostly about the World Cup.

Seems to me I remember something about that. Great, you win.

 

That's the problem with many of these sights. They take it down after a while and put up other news, but the original headlines is still up there. I get that with the NY Times a lot.

 

An accusation without specifics is meaningless. What is it I wrote that you question? Be specific.

That is hardly the point. You would love to have me rehash all the DNC emails to prove what a lousy candidate Clinton was. Clinton was a lousy candidate.

How would revealing the DNC emails help Trump?

You evaded a question. You said:

I replied, "Yes, that is true. He managed to insult nearly every NATO leader, just as he managed to insult every allied leader at G-7.

"Why does he pull his punches with communist dictators, the former KGB officer, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, and Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea the Workers' Party of Korea?

"Would you care to explain that, comrade?"

Answer the question.

 

No bigee. I checked it out before replying. You were right.

 

Maybe a USA-Russia alliance is not such a bad idea.

We could gang up on China.

 

Wonderful fantasy. You can't really believe that B.S.

Trump went to Singapore and got played badly by Kim. He made three major concessions to Kim and got nothing in return.

Kim is a boy scout compared to Putin.

With Russia we face a hostile foreign power who attacked Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea. Putin supports the murderous dictator in Syria, and Russia is allied with Iran. Trump down plays all of that, including the Russian interference in our election.

Obama and Americans are the victims here. Trump blames Obama for the Russian intrusion, and he has never once blamed Putin. That is akin to blaming FDR for the attack on Pearl Harbor.

No doubt Obama should have done more, but we are talking about two months here. What could he have done in two months to stop Russia and WikiLeaks from influencing our election? That is a very good question. Chances are, not much.

We know this. In eighteen months, Trump has done absolutely nothing. He has not even blamed Putin for interfering in our election. He promises to ask Putin about it at their summit.

Trump's NSA, SecState, SecDef, DNI (Coats), all our intelligence agencies, and the vast majority to Congressional Republicans all blame Putin for interference in our election. Trump blames Obama. Trump refuses to order steps to prevent Russia from doing it again.

That is a poignant example of how not to deal with a man like Putin!

It is my belief that Putin has something on Trump. It is why, from Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs placed on our allies to his attempts to weaken NATO, Trump is acting like Putin's puppet. That can be seen throughout this thread.

 

Your joking right? With the idiots that continue to twist everything done or said like you do why would anyone want a meeting that can be turned into a TDS bizarro wonderland?

 

Do we forgive Russia for her aggression and interference in our election or do we just pretend it never happened.

Why do I get the feeling I am getting posts from the Kremlin?

 

China/Russians relations are the best they have been in decades. As a matter of fact, China has said in a war with Russia, China would side with Russia. I think that should be a little worry-some. I wouldn't doubt that would be true with a war with China and a war could be brought on with China over those man made islands China is building in the China Sea. Also if they go after Taiwan. I think if there is a chance in improving relations with both, we should go for it. That doesn't mean allowing them to do what ever they want.

 

Sure, we forgive and forget.

Do you have any substantive objection? Or are you just an agent for Beijing?

 

Do we allow that to make relations worse? You do know Sandy we are not innocent of doing the same thing to quite a few countries, especially in South and Central America.

 

Do we forgive NATOs aggression after promising Russia no advancement beyond Germany after the wall fell?

 

Let's be honest, Hillary wasn't going to win anyway. Hell, if it weren't for Bill Clinton meeting with the Attorney General and the FBI, Hillary would have never had a chance to run in the first place. Plus most of the nation voted against her. I doubt Russia had much effect. Her own words and actions sunk her.

 

There is no Trump-Putin alliance.

 

Quite worrisome. Seems like all the Progressives here are itching for a war with Russia. Hillary certainly was.

Let's not give it to them in and inveigle Russia into a friend rather than a foe.

Russia has something to fear from China, the "New Silk Road," which will capture the old SSRs in central Asia into Beijing's orbit and away from Moscow's.

 

Trump is doing Putin's dirty work for him again.

Jake Tapper was set to interview National Security Adviser John Bolton on Sunday’s State of the Union, but the White House decided to cancel the appearance. The cancellation comes in the wake of Donald Trump’s exchange with CNN’s Jim Acosta at a joint press conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May Friday.

“CNN is fake news,” the president declared. “I don’t take questions from CNN.” Trump then pointed at the raised hand of John Roberts, the White House correspondent for Fox News, saying, “Let’s go to a real network.”

“It’s music to the ears of dictators and authoritarian leaders,” said Rob Mahoney, the deputy executive director of the Committee to Protect Journalists. “Leaders have latched on to the term ‘fake news’ to undermine independent journalism and even jail reporters. Every time President Trump uses that term to dismiss critical coverage or avoid a reporter’s question, it sends a terrible message.”

 

Trump seems to think so. Seth, have you been following along or did you just jump in?

 

Sandy said: An accusation without specifics is meaningless. What is it I wrote that you question? Be specific.
No specifics needed - as I said; "An objective observer would find some degree of accomplishment in all of President Trumps successes. Yet you find none! All that you have is a continuing stream of never-ending negitavism. There is rarely any proof in anything you state."

Sandy asked: How would revealing the DNC emails help Trump?
You yourself have said many times that President Trump is a Russian dupe - revealing the DNC hacked files would prove if that were so and in what way President Trump served Russian interests. It would also point out all of the incompetence and probable illegalities the DNC was mired in, Who's to say the DNC didn't make up this entire charade to make President Trump look bad,

Sandy also said: You would love to have me rehash all the DNC emails to prove what a lousy candidate Clinton was. Clinton was a lousy candidate.
Clinton was not only a lousy candidate, she was corrupt, dishonest, a liar, incompetent and stupid. And the DNC leadership was just like her

When I asked what was wrong with President Trump saying what had to be said: Sandy stated: Yes, that is true. He managed to insult nearly every NATO leader, just as he managed to insult every allied leader at G-7.
The fact is that every NATO and every allied leader with a few exceptions needed to be bluntly told that the US teat is going to dry up. These people need to understand that Bush and Obama are gone; there's a new sherrif in town who won't pay for their common welfare without getting something in return. The status quo is ending.
Sandy asked: "Why does he pull his punches with communist dictators, the former KGB officer, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, and Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea the Workers' Party of Korea?

If I must explain the obvious:
President Trump can afford to insult the likes of Merkel and Junker because they have nothing to offer the US but a middle finger. They have come to the negitiating table with nothing to offer the US - while they need the US as a trading partner and as a defense partner. Until they become more conciliatory, they can go to hell. The same for Mexico only more so.
As for the old commie bloc nations:
In negotiations with someone who has a few cards to play, you act in a different, even differential manner to get what you want. With NK. the goal is to denuclearize the Koprean Penninsula. With China, the goal is to counter and balance a military industrial complex as great or even greater that the US. With Russia, the goal is to find common interests and find ways to avoid future conflicts of interests.

Sandy, you have obviously fallen prey to the forces of darkness, I ask that you come to the light side and fight for truth, justice and the American way.

By the way, President Trump told me to say how much he loves you!

 

Every president has held secret meetings with other heads of state for ever. It is a normal event. That the Trump-Putin meeting has you boiling is only a symptom of TDS.
Trump's only error with the 30,000 missing emails was stating that the press would have appreciated the recovering them. The press would have been appalled and beside themselves if more Hillary guilt would have been exposed. The fact that you chastise Trump for joking about it instead of talking about the illegal activities of Clinton in losing or destroying government property says a lot.

 

Let me count the ways. Obama's message to Vlad was to wait until after the election because he would have more flexibility (in satisfying Vlad by removing a ton a defensive missiles from eastern Europe). And you are kind or correct in that he then would not have to worry about re-election. You are off because it was the 2012 election Obama was concerned about. He didn't want to piss off the electorate with his give away until after the 2012 election.

So, I am mistaken because what -- all the press and media reports about Obama's big "Reset" plan and Hillary's much publicized formal Reset meeting with the Russians (with her misspelled "reset" button and all!) was all just some right wing conspiracy? Get a grip!

 

Well, then, straighten me out. You always make accusations of a general nature. You never get involved in specifics. That makes your opinions meaningless. No one has the slightest idea what you are talking about.

 

Spoken like a true Russian sympathizer. Let's just forget Russia's aggression in Ukraine, support for a murderous Syrian dictator, support of Iran, and the interference in our election. Let's be pals with Russia.

That is what Trump wants, and you agree with him.

It is easy to see where your sympathies lie. And they are not with American foreign policy. They are in line with Russian foreign policy.