Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

Except TRump said exctly the opposite/ and how about a link for that last that isn't some ignorant left wing blog.

 

Only Trump's cult is in denial, and their emotional dependence makes them impervious to reason.

For them - as for their "Glorious Leader!" - it is all about Trump, whereas for reasonable, patriotic Americans, it is about the assault by a hostile foreign power upon the nation's democratic process. They will not surrender.

 

Didn't read whole thread, just the above nugget o BS. "Trump's own" justice department, CIA, FBI, et al, are 5% "Trump" and 95% statist bureaucrats interested only in their own growth and power in a permanently entrenched bureaucracy, hostile to anything that threatens to reduce that. Are you people EVER honest in a clear, straightforward way? Apparently not based on LW posts here that repeat garbage like the above over and over.

 

For the sake of all our kids, I hope you're right, j4f, I really do. But it can only happen when the swamps - here as well as in your country - are drained, and honesty and political integrity return.

 

We have always thrived in spite of our leaders not because of them and in my opinion, we always will because of the heart of our people from all over the world. For every petty mean a$$hole here there is a humble courageous loving genourous American and every one of us is worth three of them...

 

Total nonsense. Show me the proof.

And what do you mean 5% trump. Are they 5% orange?

Are you claiming to know how they voted?

 

You do not have the technical knowledge to understand why the evidence presented within the indictments is so compelling.
You do not have the technical knowledge to understand what those simplified explanations imply about american institutional cyber capabilities. Not to mention its more traditional intelligence gathering.

You can be assured that literally dozens of the very best cyber experts on the planet have reviewed the evidence. Its airtight and beyond technical dispute.

It isn't however beyond political dispute as dunning kruger and use of fallacy are pervasive.

 

Guess what, the probe isn't complete and the evidence is not yet public. What matters is that enough evidence has been presented for a Grand Jury to indict. And there have been guilty pleas. Do you believe those?

When the investigation is complete, the findings will be made public. And that is the last thing trump wants to see happen. That's why even though Mueller has said nothing and leaked nothing, trump keeps talking about how damaging this is to the country. LOL! What a freaking pos. HE and people protecting him are the only ones making a fuss. Otherwise it wouldn't even be in the news most of the time.

As for Russian hacking, even trump was forced at gunpoint to admit it yesterday in a hostage video. And if you expect the intel community to provide the proof, that is crazy. That is eye's only because we don't want to tell the Russians how they got caught. That is why we have elected officials with security clearances. That is why Putin is offering to help. And the really horrifying thing is that trump thinks its a good idea. That is freaking collusion right there. Trump wants to show them how they got caught!

The real question is, why does anyone believe trump when he has been proven to be liar time after time after time? He constantly contradicts himself. It is so obvious it's painful to watch.

 

And that is the America I once knew and loved. Our countries are each going through their 'moment of madness' right now, and hopefully it won't last very long.

 

President Trump said in an interview airing Wednesday that he holds Russian President Vladimir Putin personally responsible for the Kremlin's attempts to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, as the president and White House tried deflecting backlash over the world leaders' summit for a third day.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...on-meddling-defends-helsinki-performance.html

 

Then the nation of Russia interfered with the election of president of the united states, by producing political ads that contained misleading information?

How is that any different from what citizens of the united states do every single day?

 

I am currently studying CyberSecurity, and I know how intelligence can gathers names of people around the world including other intelligence and put it on a paper and say certain states did it. There needs to be evidence. How is this so hard for people to understand? After these intelligence agencies lie to your face and steal all your data, you're going to believe them whole-heartedly full stop? Well, I say no, not because I love Putin or Trump, but because I like the truth, and the truth requires evidence. No actual HARD evidence has been released. I see you totally disregard Bill Binney's analysis. This is a man with more experience than any person in this field and even worked for the NSA. Just on data transfer rates alone he concludes that the download had to have been local. Whether or not you believe him or not, you simply cannot disregard his claims, credentials, and analysis.

 

That would be great.

 

"Show me the proof." Every visit to this forum reveals just how many LW posters are part of the self-interested gov-edu bureaucracy, teachers, retired teachers, union PR who were once teachers. In my experience only school teachers constantly and pedantically demand "proof" of commonly known, uncontroversial things.

Prove what? The plain, uncontroversial fact that the Executive Branch and all its departments, especially national security and justice, are almost all career bureaucrats and not Presidential appointments? Do you not know that saying "X President's Y Department" is not an accurate portrayal of the state of the Executive Branch under any President? Sad.

Political contributions by career government employees are overwhelmingly to Democrats.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/federal-government-workers-donating-overwhelmingly-democrats/

 

When the very same intelligence agencies claimed Saddam had WMD - you called them liars.

 

Okay they are all lying their arses off and because you are studying cyber security you know exactly what's what.

You know anything about tunnelling? You know what X-tunnel does? You know that you could take days to transfer the data as a background process and nobody would notice?

Binney's analysis is bullshit. Its a shot in the dark from yet another "talking head". He had no access to the tools or evidence acquired. He sure as hell didn't have humint or commint either.

I'm afraid utter distrust of the entire American Intell and justice system is not a compelling argument in and of itself. Basing your perspective on that single decision point is intellectually dishonest. Its right there in "critical thinking 101".

 

Yes I do know what that tunneling is but there are certain parameters you cannot pass with data transfer rates. Binney's analysis is not BS. He is a former NSA official with 30 years experience. For you to dismiss him like you just did is quite surprising. Sure he may not have everything at his disposal but he and VIPS have been working with what they have from Guccifer 2.0, and concluded this analysis.

Utter distrust is not what I have. I have a high level of distrust of US intel, but not complete distrust. I need to see evidence for these claims. Basing my analysis on the fact that US intel lies about everything, is not dishonest. It's called doing research and being skeptical of those in the estab state who have a clear agenda and have lied countless amount of times.

 

It's clear that there is only blind denial, not blind acceptance of this problem.

 

Yes, well, that's after he refused to say it on Tuesday, reluctanty said it on Wednesday afternoon, said it Wednesday evening and took it back later.

Trump thinks he's smart by constantly sending conflicting and contradictory messages. He does it all the time.

He thinks keeping everyone guessing makes him look smart. I guess it does to the sort of people who never had any power or understand how the world works.

But in the real world, it breeds mistrust and makes most people (including world leaders) wanting to avoid and go around him.

There is a value in truth and trust. Credibility is the coin of the rhelm in politics.

But not in the mind of Donald Trump.

 

What does "certain parameters you cannot pass with data transfer rates" mean? Which parameters are you talking about?

Sorry claiming remote analysis without the evidence at hand to be true is like a shrink claiming Trump is mentally ill,without an actual examination.

You base your analysis on a false premise. "US intell lies about everthing" which must be the reason its so powerful and proficient and deadly.

Perhaps you should do more research. I agree that what the intell community puts out is often misdirection and misreads and even some lies thrown in, but to imagine they are lying about this particular subject is making an accusation of dereliction in duty and foreswearing of their oaths.

That presumption of guilt sure as hell ain't patriotic and aint' gonna make america any greater. (its been great for 70 decades at least, but don't tell trump - he doesn't like uncomfortable facts, just good slogans).

 

Guccifer 2.0 was said to be transferred at around 38 mb/s. According to VIPS analysis using even the closest locations from NJ to UK the highest they were able to do so was around 12 mb/s. This means the download had to have been done locally as the only way transfer rates can be that high are if someone was to use a thumb drive. He even went as far as Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, the capacity to transfer across networks at around 38 mb/s from that speed across that distance got WORSE than the transfer rate they got from NJ to UK.



Look at this video, which explains it all. Even if you don't agree with this analysis, you can't disregard it as BS. VIPS is full of highly intelligent people who have worked in US intelligence. And don't give me that 'it's on RT' nonsense.
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None of what you just said about the intel community makes any sense. Because they lie, that makes them more proficient? If anything it makes them less proficient and less credible. Sure they are deadly, deadly at causing destabilization and ruining peoples lives. They even lied about what they bombed in Syria. It wasn't a chemical weapons facility, but anti-venom medical facility.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...xic-weapons/story-e2OIzVf2RqPMMuRK0XdK0H.html

Read article: "If there were chemical weapons, we would not be able to stand here."

 

If you take at face value all that your government feeds you then you are the one who needs to re-evaluate where your information is coming from.

 

Because every country that can meddle in Americas elections will try and because we meddle with almost every other countries elections. Anyone here think we dont try to influence the outcome of elections in our favor has not paid attention to our history.

 

OOOPSY! I see you didn't read the indictment.

I see you ignored the fact that a leased server in Az was part of the hacker's network? You think for a moment they'd be stupid enough to send their hacked information directly tothemselves. Yep ya got some serious rocket surgeon's opinion based on a small subset of evidence and an erroneous assumption to begin with. Man I wouldn't hire that clown for any digital forensic work, but no doubt he'll be in great demand in trumpland.

 

Obama. He said its impossible someone could hack our election. Or did he just lie because he thought Hillary would win=) And he KNEW they were meddling and said it anyway. So if he's wrong, he's stupid or he lied or both. Then again, if someone thinks Facebook ads are enough to change someone's vote, they're not smart enough to vote.