Did anybody change their mind today?

Mueller provided no proof to support his indictments of spies for spying. He provided detailed charges and referred the indictments, not to Federal Court for trial, but to the division that handles counterintelligence to die.

Mueller didn't want to try the case since he was embarrassed that he had no proof to disclose to the Russian Trolls when they surprised him by having their lawyers petition for discovery. Likewise, I imagine he has no evidence that the Russian spies were spying. Anyway, amateur hackers can conceal their identities and the self-described geniuses who lost an election they won by 3M votes think Obama's DOJ could pinpoint the bad actors without even having access to the servers that were hacked.

The self-described geniuses spent 2 years, every day knowing that was the day they were going to nail Trump for collusion and kick him out of office. Every day, the self-described geniuses are disappointed. The geniuses knew that Trump had a 0.25% chance of defeating Hillary. Then they knew they could get him impeached within 6 months. No matter how many times Trump outsmarts the geniuses, the geniuses continue to think they will overthrow his administration and they continue to think tomorrow is the day.

After 2 years of 24/7 negative news and attacks, Trump got his payback by colluding with Putin to make the geniuses look like fools. I'm not sure the geniuses who were the butt of the Trump-Putin joke know what happened. They still haven't recovered from Rosenstein admitting that no Americans were involved and the results of the election weren't effected.

 

I never said Hitler or Gandhi where the u.s. president so I would not have said they were the same thing I said people said the same thing about Obama that you're saying about Donald Trump and if a Democrat gets elected in 2020 or 2024 people will say the same thing about that person as they said about Obama and Donald Trump.

It really is sour grapes

 

That is such a convenient dodge. It's an easy ticket to Comfortville where hard facts don't really matter. Most folks that voted for Hillary moved on a year ago, now they look at disturbing facts that cause them concern. That's where we are now. I can see why Trump loyalists are looking for an escape route. It's rather sad.

 

well it is the facts Republicans tend to not like Democrat presidents and Democrats tend to not like Republican presidents. And with the extreme division we see in our country today naturally they're going to say the other party is the Antichrist.

I didn't mention Hillary.

I wouldn't know I don't know anybody who's loyal to Trump.

 

Heck, even the Russian news seems to proudly think Putin got the better of trump

 

Like I said in another post. I think the Left was just waiting for him to trash Putin for interfering with our elections and here was Trump trying to use this meeting to make relations better between the two. No matter which way he went it wasn't going to go well for him.

 

No, I think an agreement could be made with the Russians regarding Syrian President Assad. It's for sure Russia and Iran aren't going to sit back and allow the U.S. to over throw him and turn the country pro West. But he could get Russia to agree to put pressure on Assad as to treating his people like he does. Russia could put a lot of pressure on both Syria and Iran.

 

Ugh, virtue signaling ....

These are not intelligent ways to change the electorate to the Democratic ideals. This type of thing is actually one of the exact reasons they are losing support.

There are better arguments, drop the identity politics and virtue signaling tactics and you will improve your chances.

 

What argument? What identity politics? What tactics? What chances? What signaling? What in the world are you talking about?

 

Lol, did you just attempt to virtue signal by completely misdiagnosing a virtue signal? If so, there's a certain beauty to that, in a way lol.

 

Why would we want better relations with Russia? We need better relations with our allies. Not with a dictator who murders his own citizens and wants to damage our allies. We want them to stop this ongoing attack on our democracy.

I first started responding to your message comparing Trump to Neville Chamberlain. But then I realized that at least Chamberlain, despite his gullibility, was a patriot who did what he believed (incorrectly) to be in the best interest of his country. Such comparison would be elevating Trump much higher than he deserves, because he is obviously only looking for what is in the best interest of Trump.

I am still baffled as to how an American Marine can side with this guy and try to excuse his anti-patriotic behavior that is so obvious. I was taught to believe U.S. Marines were more patriotic than that. I guess I was taught wrong.

BTW. I just thought of something. You are an American Marine, right? I mean, a Marine in the U.S. Armed Forces. I'm not questioning it.... just making sure

 

BS. You and yours would have had a hissy fit no matter what.

 

1. I believe the first sentence of your OP is a falsehood. No matter what Trump does or says, you and yours will rationalize into hyperbolic fabrication about it. Had he, in your words, "stood up to Putin," your poll would have been based on a different false, hyperbolic narrative, "Are we on the brink of WW3 due to Trump's very undiplomatic handling of the Russia meeting? Has Trump taking us to the brink of war changed your opinion of his administration?" Don't bother claiming otherwise, you won't fool anyone.

2. Nothing material or factual has changed. Why on earth would any rational adult American on the right side of the intelligence bell curve buy into this latest "surely this is the end for Trump" lie narrative from the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex? It is as absurd if not more absurd as prior lie narratives that didn't work.

 

Did anybody change their mind today?

Of course not. Unlike the rest of America I ignore what politicians say and concentrate on what they do. Trump continues to do the right things.

 

Stating reality is not virtue shaming. That it also exists on the "other side" is a given. Its the center and "unaligned" that determine the outcome.

 

Come on, at least try to be honest.

Your quote -

"My impression is that support for him comes form a place of emotion. I believe studies show that when a belief is emotionally held, evidence to the contrary entrenches their belief. Fox is already giving them excuses, and avenues of escape."

You are saying that people who support him do it from an area of emotion (instead of logic). Thus stating that your opinion is more logical and there for better than your opponents. This is really not difficult stuff here....

 

This is utter nonsense and its "signaling", not "shaming".

When people disagree with you, they are doing it based on their logic which has driven them there.

Trying to down play how they think by calling it emotion is 100% virtue signaling, trying to say you are coming to a conclusion though logic instead of emotion unlike those you are talking about.

Do you guys even realize you are doing it? Or is it just an auto go to?

 

ACtually, his comment was valid. You on the other hand immediately interpret it to ALL trump supporters, as is the wont of the hard ideological nationalist core.

And apparently you are unaware of human psychology and such elements as human learning processes, the science of human communications, confirmation bias, marketing principles like prompting emotional responses to influence decision making, even simply the various levels of human intelligence.

But swing for the fences, you be representin'.

 

Mhmmm, sure thing bud.

It is pretty funny how up in arms people get when they are called out on their virtue signaling tactics.

I think it is because people are use to getting away with it for so long, they simply don't know what to do with the rebuttal.

I am sure you will think of something

 

Its okay, I understand, Trumpland has a problem with snowflakes and Dunning Kruger.

 

Why better relations with Russia? Because we are butting heads with them in Syria, Iran and other parts of the world. We would like to rein in Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons in the future and get Syria stable, with or without Assad. We can't do that without Russian help and we don't want to do something and go to war with them .Yes, trying to get along works much better than brandishing swords constantly. I'm sure you know that.

I don't believe for one minute Trump didn't believe the Russians were involved. I do believe he wanted this summit to improve relations with Russia. He knows there can be no settlement in Syria, Iran and N. Korea without Russian and Chinese help. But we also know the Left wanted Trump to call Putin out. Trump was up against the wall, once Putin said they didn't do it. Was he to call Putin a liar and shame him before the world? Not a good way to improve relations. He really was in a no win situation. Liberals just want another reason to trash Trump and call for his impeachment. He has shown he has been tougher on Russia than that coward Obama who never wanted to do anything that would upset Russia.

Yes I was an American Marine and believe me, military people don't like having to go to war. They believe if there are peaceful ways to settle things, that's the way to go. Trump has already proven he is willing to go head to head with Russia. He has done it three times already. But he knows it could be a lot easier and safer if the two sides had better relations. As brilliant as you are, I find it odd you can't see what is in front of you, or read between the lines. Trump's actions aren't that far out, even if his words are.

 

So you are fine with swallowing it because you believe he has a grander strategy where Russia and China will cooperate with America to solve the world's problems and make it safe? Are you serious? You think Russia and PUtin isn't playing trump like a stradavarius. For some strange reason you see a competence that few others around the world see. You see a keen negotiator where everyone else sees a blundering bullshit artist.

Putin is a creature of the KGB. He is a dictator. His biggest wet dream is reclaiming all the lost territory of the USSR. He views America as his biggest ENEMY. None of this competitor bullshit, he calls a spade a spade. He is brilliant. He is a highly trained intelligence operative. He is purportedly the biggest thief in human history. He's a thug. I saw America bow down to him on Monday and even blamed american stupidity on the bad relations in complete denial of the friggin facts of how that bad relationship developed.

I see exactly what is in front of me. I see that he is a complete amateur on the world stage and he is being played like a puppet by Putin and Xi and Kim. They play 3 D chess and trump plays tic tac toe.

You of all people should know that strategy without effective and executable tactics isn't a strategy at all.

 

Don't forget that a significant number of his more ardent supporters were and are "birthers". Facts are irrelevant

 

True and that is biting us in the proverbial big time as people are giving equal weight to internet blogs as they do to a systematic review of research, if they even know what the latter is

 

Absolutely NO argument from me on that one!!